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Texas moves to create gold-backed digital currency

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Re: Texas moves to create gold-backed digital currency

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Is Texas getting ready to secede from the union, or what ?

No. They couldn't if they wanted to. There is no legal or constitutional basis for a state to secede. How would that even work? It's not like they can force people to leave the US and strip them of their citizenship. Are they just going to kick out over half the people in Texas? Besides Texas' economy would collapse immediately. There would be a mass exodus of businesses. Texas would be completely cut off from the national banking system. It's an absurd idea.

Re: Texas moves to create gold-backed digital currency

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Goldbugs like deflation. Goldbugs like gold. Practical economic usefulness is not a consideration.

I suspect there are three flavours of gold bugs: 1) Wealthy + Paranoid + Stupid. They'd rather keep their money in sovereigns under their mattress, than put it into any sort of productive economic activity. On a long term, especially in the US, you could pretty much throw darts and build a portfolio that competes with, or beats, inflation. 2) Conspirational: "fiat currency is a grand scheme to undermine our savings f…

"fiat currency is a grand scheme to undermine our savings"

imagine writing this as ironic mockery during an ongoing inflation crisis.

Re: Texas moves to create gold-backed digital currency

#44

What's the motive behind wanting deflationary currency? Just a few minutes' reflection should convince you that's a very bad idea for any free market, capitalist economy.

Goldbugs like deflation. Goldbugs like gold. Practical economic usefulness is not a consideration.

whats practical about your wealth being stolen from you?

Re: Texas moves to create gold-backed digital currency

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What's the motive behind wanting deflationary currency? Just a few minutes' reflection should convince you that's a very bad idea for any free market, capitalist economy.

Gold is not deflationary from monetary perspective. More gold is mined constantly. Due to its high stock-to-flow ratio, the monetary inflation is very low.

From the perspective of CPI (consumer price index), gold would be "deflationary", because prices would get cheaper. However, this is not a property of gold; it's the property of a capitalist economy, where companies compete to offer better products at cheaper prices.

There's no good reason for diluting the currency to keep prices increasing, other than corruption and greed of those who control the money supply. Inflationary currency means that someone is profiting by creating money, and that profit is paid in the increasing price of products.

Re: Texas moves to create gold-backed digital currency

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post #13

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Goldbugs like deflation. Goldbugs like gold. Practical economic usefulness is not a consideration.

I suspect there are three flavours of gold bugs: 1) Wealthy + Paranoid + Stupid. They'd rather keep their money in sovereigns under their mattress, than put it into any sort of productive economic activity. On a long term, especially in the US, you could pretty much throw darts and build a portfolio that competes with, or beats, inflation. 2) Conspirational: "fiat currency is a grand scheme to undermine our savings f…

> 3) Arguably a subset of 2) but Apocalypse Enthusiast. "When civilization crumbles, the obvious trade unit won't be something like grain, alcohol, or bullets, but my bags full of low-grade silver dimes! I'll be King of the Wasteland!"

Yes, direct trade may definitely be grains, alcohol or bullets - but as soon as economies more complex than a self sufficient farm village crop up, eventually some form of token will be required.

For that, historically gold and silver have been the established tokens of choice for millennia, and even today's currencies are backed by insane amounts of gold in central bank vaults - it's not a bad assumption per se to think that gold and silver will outlast even our modern civilization. Come to think of it, most of the world's currencies sans the Swiss Franc and the US dollars are barely decades old.

We're already seeing a switch from the US dollar as the universally accepted international reserve and trading currency - only 60% of reserves and 40% of trades are valued in dollars, mostly towards the Euro and, in smaller amounts, yen, yuan and a bit of Francs. Think forward a few decades... what humans create can vanish in a very short time.

Re: Texas moves to create gold-backed digital currency

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What's the motive behind wanting deflationary currency? Just a few minutes' reflection should convince you that's a very bad idea for any free market, capitalist economy.

That's one of the crazier political rabbit holes to go down. There are reasonable and/or reasonable-sounding arguments for pretty much every position and those arguments have been rehashed in every imaginable way for decades and decades. Online there's probably tens of gigabytes of debate between "hard money" advocates and "fiat" or inflationary currency advocates. After seeing endless debates between various schools…

> Did having an inflationary currency help us achieve the remarkable growth of the past hundred years? We can't know that either.

Well leaving the gold standard certainly helped countries start recovering from the Great Depression:

> In the end, recovery from the Great Depression does not begin until countries give up on the combination of the Bagehot Rule and of commitment to sound gold-standard finance. Those countries that have central banks willing to print up enough money so that people are willing to spend it--it is when you adopt such policies that your economy begins to recover. If you don’t, you become France, which sticks to the gold standard all the way up to 1937, and never gets a recovery. When World War II begins, Nazi Germany’s production--equal to France's in 1933--had doubled between 1933 and 1939. French production had fallen by 15%.

* https://delong.typepad.com/sdj/2013/10/the-great-depression-...

Ideally having neither too much nor too little money circulating is best, but it's impossible to do that, so it's better to have a little too much, as having too little hampers your economy:

* https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Great_Bullion_Famine

Re: Texas moves to create gold-backed digital currency

#49
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In 2006/2007 I was paid for a project in e-gold[0]. Another currency backed by gold bullion. I never saw the gold, never touched it, but was assured it was there, really. The whole thing went tits up because it was a scam. Being in Texas and not Panama I guess this is slightly less scammy. But I suspect the people who want to hold gold will simply buy gold. And skip the questionably middleman. [0] https://en.wikipedi…

The problem is fraction reserves, as soon as that fraud is legalized, the entire marketplace is by definition fraudulent. If they did have reserves and fraction reserve was suddenly legalized, you get retroactively robbed in a sense.

Holding gold would appeal to me but is impossible. I won't dedicate my life, hell or high water, to one country. You can't just up and carry stuff across nation borders. It is a total nightmare. In fact, every time I enter Thailand (and who knows how many other countries) I break the law. The limit for undeclared personal affects is exceeded by a single tshirt or pair of jeans in my luggage, since, well I wear all designer. Strikes me as beyond absurd how the world works ever since the idiocy of passports, permission, and visas was introduced:(

One of the worst inventions in history imo.

I think Ukraine should remind us all not to trust everything to one country. All your eggs in one basket

Re: Texas moves to create gold-backed digital currency

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post #36

In 2006/2007 I was paid for a project in e-gold[0]. Another currency backed by gold bullion. I never saw the gold, never touched it, but was assured it was there, really. The whole thing went tits up because it was a scam. Being in Texas and not Panama I guess this is slightly less scammy. But I suspect the people who want to hold gold will simply buy gold. And skip the questionably middleman. [0] https://en.wikipedi…

While I tend to systematically doubt anything that "represents" gold supposedly stored somewhere and therefore tend to agree with the sentiment, I believe that if an actual state were to implement this, along with:

    - a system of independent, redundant audits of the reserves (independent as in: they would not live in Texas)
    - a blockchain to track and record for all eternity the state of the currency *and* the audits
    - a guarantee etched in stone in the Texas constitution that the e-currency is - by law - instantly convertible to the real thing (and by that, I mean actual gold, not the current market rate equivalent in toilet paper).
then it would have a chance of succeeding.

But again, there are so many ways to cheat and lie when you manage a gold "reserve", including storing fake gold, that - indeed - while this would be a lot easier to handle and trade with than real gold, it would still not replace it.

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