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Re: Ask HN: Fired for Using Firefox

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Post by Toutouxc »

tamarind8 wrote: post #21
mikro2nd wrote: post #12

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It sounds like the tooling was just being used as an excuse, that they'd decided to fire you regardless for reasons that they wouldn't want to articulate because they'd be grounds for legal action. Just guessing, of course, but don't believe ~everything~ anything you've been told. I believe you've already made good choices in this: take a deep breath and move on, having "dodged a bullet" as others have commented. Goo…

You get it. I will not be surprised at all if the move to React never happened, and everything is still on angular8 one year from now. So why hire me in the fast place? Because they think they can just hire and then fire someone on a whim? If I don't do something about this, they will do it to someone else.

> If I don't do something about this, they will do it to someone else.

Name and shame then? Don’t know how well this goes with the suing that everyone’s proposing though.

Re: Ask HN: Fired for Using Firefox

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Post by [deleted] »

tamarind8 wrote: post #22
stefanos82 wrote: post #19

Another hypothetical scenario that could be taken into consideration is the following: Before hiring you they had either interviewed another candidate that matched their needs and was more experienced than you, or expected a friend of theirs to join their team, but did not reply back for a while and due to their tight schedule, they had to hire someone urgently, thus leading to your hiring. After hiring you, between…

Thank you, my friend. A year from now I'll be happy I dodged a bullet, and I still have to do something about this injustice I'm feeling now.

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Re: Ask HN: Fired for Using Firefox

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Post by blablabla123 »

I mean Firefox used to be not very practical for Web development but I think that was around 2015. Also I've seen much more frontend developers moving away from complex IDEs. Bad for the financial hit, but for learning it's probably better to work somewhere else...

Re: Ask HN: Fired for Using Firefox

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Post by whiddershins »

tamarind8 wrote: post #11
not_your_vase wrote: post #6

If you are actually productive with your method, then I would advice you to be happy that you dodged a bullet, and it only cost you 3 weeks. Go for another company, and don't chase this one. If, however, they have a point, try to learn some productivity tools to be more efficient before going for the job. In any case, don't think too much about this company, it will just distract you.

What I did say was that I rarely use browser debuggers, because I've just never felt the need to. The console.log and a good mental image of what the code is doing has got me this far. I asked my boss, that as a senior dev with over 15 proven experience, he should not stress to much about HOW I do it, just WHAT I deliver, and WHEN it is delivered. I guess that was asking for to much? Or being insubordinate? Anyways,…

Honestly: are you a bit argumentative?

If I was in the first few weeks of a job I would try to be receptive to what my coworkers suggest, not win any arguments.

Re: Ask HN: Fired for Using Firefox

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Post by haspok »

Yes, it is fair to fire you for _any reason_ during the probation period (ok, maybe not for your ethnicity or religious reasons etc - but this is not what has happened here). It is also fair for you to leave on a short notice during the probation period for no reason. It is a two way street.

Don't try to read more into this situation than what it really is. Either party did not like the other, no big deal, this happens. Much better to leave early than to suffer through a longer period for nothing. Enjoy Firefox and VS Code - I'm sure there are plenty of other companies that will allow you to use whatever tools you like for development.

Re: Ask HN: Fired for Using Firefox

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Post by 3ds »

No, it is not fair, nor is it correct. The professional response is, that for the most part it is a matter of preference what tools you use and as long as you are proficient with them and you get the work done, it is more important that you can use tools you are comfortable with and accustomed to, because you will be faster.

Nowadays there are few differences between firefox web developer tools and chrome's tools.

IDEs can be powerful tools. To me it seems that in some programming languages they are the default, in others not so much. I don't see much IDE usage in frontend development. But it could be useful when writing TypeScript maybe?

Anyhow. You did absolutely nothing wrong.

Re: Ask HN: Fired for Using Firefox

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Post by quickthrower2 »

tamarind8 wrote: post #11
not_your_vase wrote: post #6

If you are actually productive with your method, then I would advice you to be happy that you dodged a bullet, and it only cost you 3 weeks. Go for another company, and don't chase this one. If, however, they have a point, try to learn some productivity tools to be more efficient before going for the job. In any case, don't think too much about this company, it will just distract you.

What I did say was that I rarely use browser debuggers, because I've just never felt the need to. The console.log and a good mental image of what the code is doing has got me this far. I asked my boss, that as a senior dev with over 15 proven experience, he should not stress to much about HOW I do it, just WHAT I deliver, and WHEN it is delivered. I guess that was asking for to much? Or being insubordinate? Anyways,…

I sort of agree with you: if I am reaching for the debugger I know I am in trouble! It is good for ... well ... bugs - things that got past QA and are hard to pin down. It is also good for CSS "hacking", as in why won't it work so let's play with different CSS settings.

Re: Ask HN: Fired for Using Firefox

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Post by Popcorn3865 »

Fair? No.

Termination on grounds of things that _might_ happen is not fair at all.

I suspect there's something else going on, as this reasoning seems spurious.

Whatever the reasoning, this type of behaviour by an employer is a red flag in itself.

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