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Re: Ask HN: Fired for Using Firefox

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Post by tamarind8 »

mikro2nd wrote: post #12
tamarind8 wrote: post #11

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What I did say was that I rarely use browser debuggers, because I've just never felt the need to. The console.log and a good mental image of what the code is doing has got me this far. I asked my boss, that as a senior dev with over 15 proven experience, he should not stress to much about HOW I do it, just WHAT I deliver, and WHEN it is delivered. I guess that was asking for to much? Or being insubordinate? Anyways,…

It sounds like the tooling was just being used as an excuse, that they'd decided to fire you regardless for reasons that they wouldn't want to articulate because they'd be grounds for legal action. Just guessing, of course, but don't believe ~everything~ anything you've been told. I believe you've already made good choices in this: take a deep breath and move on, having "dodged a bullet" as others have commented. Goo…

You get it. I will not be surprised at all if the move to React never happened, and everything is still on angular8 one year from now. So why hire me in the fast place? Because they think they can just hire and then fire someone on a whim? If I don't do something about this, they will do it to someone else.

Re: Ask HN: Fired for Using Firefox

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Post by tamarind8 »

stefanos82 wrote: post #19

Another hypothetical scenario that could be taken into consideration is the following: Before hiring you they had either interviewed another candidate that matched their needs and was more experienced than you, or expected a friend of theirs to join their team, but did not reply back for a while and due to their tight schedule, they had to hire someone urgently, thus leading to your hiring. After hiring you, between…

Thank you, my friend. A year from now I'll be happy I dodged a bullet, and I still have to do something about this injustice I'm feeling now.

Re: Ask HN: Fired for Using Firefox

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Post by CoastalCoder »

stefanos82 wrote: post #14
tamarind8 wrote: post #9

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The time gaps between jobs?

Go with the easy route; add it as "Freelance Contract under NDA", period!

There are some good reasons to (as a matter of policy) not lie.

IMHO it's better to cast around for the best possible honest framing of the issue.

Re: Ask HN: Fired for Using Firefox

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Post by blowski »

tamarind8 wrote: post #16
jasonkester wrote: post #13

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I bet if you read this back to yourself, you’ll understand why they let you go. And hopefully you’ll approach your next gig differently. From their perspective, they hired a guy, and it took him 3 weeks to close a single CSS ticket. If you were the company, what would you do? It sounds like you may be new, so chalk it up to miscommunication. But next time, spend the first day “learning” while closing a few real ticke…

I actually had to insist on being given that ticket. My boss was actually happy to let me spend more time learning angular and setting up my dev env. Think about that. But the moment I stepped up to, and embraced the challenge, everything changed. Maybe someone whispered some bad things about me? I will never know... What I'd do differently if I wanted to work there? Keep my mouth shut, and not say anything about my…

From your second paragraph here, I understand you were somewhat critical of the management at this company?

Re: Ask HN: Fired for Using Firefox

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Post by stefanos82 »

jasonkester wrote: post #18
tamarind8 wrote: post #16

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I actually had to insist on being given that ticket. My boss was actually happy to let me spend more time learning angular and setting up my dev env. Think about that. But the moment I stepped up to, and embraced the challenge, everything changed. Maybe someone whispered some bad things about me? I will never know... What I'd do differently if I wanted to work there? Keep my mouth shut, and not say anything about my…

Hey, man. I'm only reading what you wrote and responding to the impression it left. Please try to take it constructively. Imagine your boss was actually happy with you not delivering anything those first few weeks. Would he have let you go? I've watched this exact situation play out too many times now to miss the signs. A new person joins the team, spends a few weeks familiarizing and reporting as much in the standup…

> Hey, man. I'm only reading what you wrote and responding to the impression it left. Please try to take it constructively. > Imagine your boss was actually happy with you not delivering anything those first few weeks. Would he have let you go?

If you were a boss, at what day would you expect from your newly hired developer to start delivering any result?

> I've watched this exact situation play out too many times now to miss the signs. A new person joins the team, spends a few weeks familiarizing and reporting as much in the standups. Manager is encouraging the whole time. Then one day, New Person is no longer with the company, reach out to me if anybody has any concerns.

...and you consider this a healthy behavior from any working environment?

What do you think employees are, mentalists to read people's minds and know what others they are thinking?! Let's be serious here please...

> Every time, it's the new person not catching the signals that they should have been self starting and delivering all that time.

Oh how much I abhor this behavior! What is it with "not catching the signals" even mean here?!

If you don't like someone's behavior, let that person know and be crystal clear about the reasons; 99.9% of all times it's either bad communication or misinterpretation, let alone a naive misunderstanding.

> I'm not trying to say that it's fair. Just pointing out that it happens.

Indeed it does and this needs to change and needs to change yesteryear!

Re: Ask HN: Fired for Using Firefox

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Post by mstipetic »

jasonkester wrote: post #18
tamarind8 wrote: post #16

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I actually had to insist on being given that ticket. My boss was actually happy to let me spend more time learning angular and setting up my dev env. Think about that. But the moment I stepped up to, and embraced the challenge, everything changed. Maybe someone whispered some bad things about me? I will never know... What I'd do differently if I wanted to work there? Keep my mouth shut, and not say anything about my…

Hey, man. I'm only reading what you wrote and responding to the impression it left. Please try to take it constructively. Imagine your boss was actually happy with you not delivering anything those first few weeks. Would he have let you go? I've watched this exact situation play out too many times now to miss the signs. A new person joins the team, spends a few weeks familiarizing and reporting as much in the standup…

What kind of manager communicates with signals? It’s their job to say what are the expectations during onboarding and offer feedback during the period. This isn’t Bridgerton
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