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Russians Seem Interested in My Book About How Dictatorships End

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Russians are of course allowed to post on HN. We don't exclude people because of their country. In fact we don't exclude any population, not only (or even primarily) for ethical reasons but because it would be bad for intellectual curiosity, which is what we're trying to optimize for ( https://hn.algolia.com/?dateRange=all&page=0&prefix=true&sor... ). We do ask HN users, from any country or population, to stick to th…

But this is a lie, "dang". Your mythical "site rules", don't prevent people here to justify terrorism inside Russia, call to violence against Russian people, or insults of ethnic character. Just as they don't prevent people from doing it on any other major western public forum. What they do prevent, on the other hand, is expressing point of view which is not aligned, at least partially, to the "point of view" of your…

You're right - rules don't prevent people from breaking the rules. I'm just telling you what the rules are, and what their intended spirit is. I'm not telling you that every commenter conforms to them—that's definitely not the case, as you're describing.

When we see comments breaking the rules, we ask them not to (and ban users who don't stop). But we only see a small minority of what gets posted to HN (https://hn.algolia.com/?dateRange=all&page=0&prefix=false&qu...).

There's another aspect. HN can't be immune from macro trends (https://hn.algolia.com/?dateRange=all&page=0&prefix=true&que...). Although HN is a highly international site (only 50% US if not less), its demographics are majority Western, so discourse here will inevitably be dominated by Western views regardless of how we moderate. Moderation power is limited.

That puts users with non-Western views in a delicate position. All I can tell you is that as moderators, we're on the side of including minorities, not excluding them. I've defended countless minority users when the majority is ganging up on them, and that will be the case for as long as I'm moderating HN, whenever I see it happening.

But we need users from those groups to do their part as well. What happens all too easily and often is that users from the minority groups, feeling stung by the majority, lash back aggressively in a way that breaks the rules. This puts the moderators in a double bind: we can't condone breaking the rules, and we also don't want to exclude minority users, making the minority even smaller.

The only solution I know is to persuade you (i.e. you personally and others in this position) that it isn't in your interest to break the rules like that. Your reasons for doing it, and the emotions behind it, are understandable—but the effect of such posts is to discredit your own views (https://hn.algolia.com/?dateRange=all&page=0&prefix=true&sor...). This marginalizes you even further—it just gives the majority fresh confirmation that you're wrong and they're right. This doesn't improve your position.

What you should do instead—though I know it is not easy—is strictly, scrupulously, meticulously stick to the rules while laying out your position. Let others be the ones to become aggressive and call names and flame. Who knows, maybe they won't! and then you can have the respectful conversation that HN is supposed to be for. But if they do, at least it will be they who are discrediting their own position, rather than you.

Re: Russians Seem Interested in My Book About How Dictatorships End

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https://balkaninsight.com/2022/02/07/romania-wants-new-talks... Also For example, the Soviet Union forced Eastern European countries to sell their natural resources, such as coal, timber, and minerals, to the USSR at below-market prices. The Soviet Union also imposed production quotas on these countries, requiring them to produce certain goods and send them to the USSR. The Soviet Union often used military force to m…

"sent to Moscow for safekeeping during World War I in 1916" Russian Empire does not exist anymore, orphaned and its own gold being stolen, I would recommend you going to UK and France (allies of Russian Empire at the time) for the compensation. I pity for your loss, I really do, but given how the Russian Empire has suffered a horrible demise I just do not understand why any money should be taken from my pocked and pu…

We had oil, so maybe you sent it to some brother nation.

What happened is URSS planed and forced the economy of it's satellites, because they did not like Romania they tried to not allow us to have an industry and forced us to sell them resources and they would sell us stuff. Luckily we had some competent leaders with diplomatic skills(btw is diplomacy looked down upon in Russia?... ) and Romania managed to get away from URSS planned control, we even prepared for an URSS invasion and had the USA president visit, but it took decades to kick Russians out from our country and our business.

About the gold, other countries returned the gold, and it is not only gold, Russia is keeping documents, artwork , from Bulgaria too(aren't Bulgaria your brothers? ). I am sure the gold is in Putin palace but did he used the documents to fill his library too? The art might be on the walls of his palace, bunkers and yachts but if you have prove that our art, gold, documents is in UK let me see it.

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You assume too much. > One scale is how well power is spread across the institutions of government and society, the legislative, judicial and executive branches, the institutions of press, academy, industry, religion, society... are they independent, or all bent to serve the executive, and now many and how much? That's nice, but let a country figure that out on their own. You don't get to decide that measurement for…

First, some fundamentals: 1) Freedom to live a self determined life, under a self-determined government is a most fundamental human desire, and right. 2) Neutrality ALWAYS favors the aggressor, the abuser, the autocrat. It allows them to continue aggressing, abusing, and dictating without interference, and provides only hopelessness to the victims of aggression, abuse, and autocracy. 3) Anyone who wants to live a sel…

I'm not convinced that South Korea is the best example - much of its economic growth(until 1987) occurred under what Wikipedia describes as dictatorial then despotic rule and I'd be tempted to attribute some of the difference to having the US as an ally instead of the collapsing Soviet Union.

Re: Russians Seem Interested in My Book About How Dictatorships End

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First, some fundamentals: 1) Freedom to live a self determined life, under a self-determined government is a most fundamental human desire, and right. 2) Neutrality ALWAYS favors the aggressor, the abuser, the autocrat. It allows them to continue aggressing, abusing, and dictating without interference, and provides only hopelessness to the victims of aggression, abuse, and autocracy. 3) Anyone who wants to live a sel…

I'm not convinced that South Korea is the best example - much of its economic growth(until 1987) occurred under what Wikipedia describes as dictatorial then despotic rule and I'd be tempted to attribute some of the difference to having the US as an ally instead of the collapsing Soviet Union.

Sure, maybe not the best example off the top of my head. But not bad either.

While levels of democracy were bad (i.e., higher autocracy) in the early years, the trend has certainly been towards democracy, and growth has been solid under both conditions, and steadier in the last few decades.

Sure, trading with the US and ER is also a factor, but that is also a benefit of being a democracy, instead of being an autocracy and relying on international criminal activities for currency, as does NK.

And while these factors may account for some of the difference it certainly doesn't count for all of it. While they're on two halves of the same patch of land, NK should also have some advantages with their direct land connections to China an Russia. Yet, NK residents are literally kept ignorant and starving, while SK is one of the most prosperous nations in the world. It would be extreme paternalism to argue that even if they had good information and the means to make a self-determining government, that they would not do so. In fact, parts of the experiment have already been done in NK — while any type of private enterprise was absolutely banned, it still sprung up all the time, and in one of their earlier famines, the govt relented and it was allowed because it did help better distribute resources. Just because people who don't like what thy have and are powerless to change it, does not mean that they want it or it is best for them.

[0] https://www.macrotrends.net/countries/KOR/south-korea/gdp-gr...

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