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Re: Lamest Edit Wars

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Post by int_19h »

NoZebra120vClip wrote: post #37
smcl wrote: post #15

Quite a few of these disputes were about nationalities, which is interesting as I encountered this recently. I noticed on one page that someone famous was quite unusually described as "British" when "Welsh" was more accurate. A bit more digging and it turned out to be the work of a user who had made a few contributions changing "Scottish" and "Welsh" to "British" with comments like "corrected the nationality, Welsh i…

Nationalistic edit-wars are the worst, and these are most likely to rage all the way up through ArbCom decisions. I visited Catalonia once fifteen years ago, and so for a while I had an interest in Barcelona and Catalonian topics such as Antoni Gaudí. Now, I knew about the Catalonian independence movement, and the history of oppression by Franco and so forth. So it was no surprise that the nationality of Gaudí was co…

One that I vividly remember because I tried to mediate it was the edit war over the name of Pristina (capital of Kosovo) - whether it should use the then-traditional phonetic English spelling "Prishtina", Latin Serbian "Priština" (either with or without the diacritic), or Albanian "Prishtinë". It got bad enough that at some point the article used double naming throughout.

Re: Lamest Edit Wars

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Post by int_19h »

sashank_1509 wrote: post #41
yellowapple wrote: post #28

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I've been permanently banned from "the" libertarian subreddit specifically for suggesting that libertarian socialism is a thing that exists. It's almost as if their cries about things not being " real libertarianism" is and always has been good ol' gaslighting and projection.

What does libertarian socialism mean? I guess you mean to say, the means of production can be shared across all workers and still economic activity can be directed by markets?

Not necessarily shared across all workers, but, at the very least, owned by workers who actually use those means to produce something.

Re: Lamest Edit Wars

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Post by JohnFen »

sashank_1509 wrote: post #40
epolanski wrote: post #31

Wikipedia is massively raging in edit wars. Before 2014's Russian aggression towards Ukraine, several Crimea-related pages pointed out (with citations) that Crimea tried to split from Ukraine twice already during soviet times, but this whole narrative was steadily rewritten after 2014. Considering how many people rely on Wikipedia to get "facts", this has always struck me at how much history rewriting can happen and…

My thumb rule is to ignore wikipedia for any article with a hint of politics. Unfortunately over time nothing is being spared from politics

"Just because you do not take an interest in politics doesn't mean politics won't take an interest in you. " ― Pericles

Re: Lamest Edit Wars

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Post by xupybd »

commoner wrote: post #80
xupybd wrote: post #64

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I'm not against them spending time. I'm against their attempt at controlling the use of language. They're not fixing a mistake, they're rewriting according to personal preference. I see this as defacing other people's work. To me it would be like going into an open source project and changing the tab spacing just because it's not the one you use.

> To me it would be like going into an open source project and changing the tab spacing just because it's not the one you use. This analogy doesn't work because one of Wikipedia's rules is that nobody owns any article, even if they wrote it themselves: > All Wikipedia pages and articles are edited collaboratively by a community of volunteer contributors. Individual contributors, also called editors, are known as Wiki…

No analogy holds 100%. It feels the same to me. Yes there are many differences. As with every analogy.

Re: Lamest Edit Wars

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Post by commoner »

xupybd wrote: post #84
commoner wrote: post #80

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> To me it would be like going into an open source project and changing the tab spacing just because it's not the one you use. This analogy doesn't work because one of Wikipedia's rules is that nobody owns any article, even if they wrote it themselves: > All Wikipedia pages and articles are edited collaboratively by a community of volunteer contributors. Individual contributors, also called editors, are known as Wiki…

No analogy holds 100%. It feels the same to me. Yes there are many differences. As with every analogy.

My point is that if you edit an article on Wikipedia, you can't reasonably expect the article to be as you left it. Every article is ever changing and nobody gets to stake a claim to anything they write.

Re: Lamest Edit Wars

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Post by xupybd »

commoner wrote: post #85
xupybd wrote: post #84

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No analogy holds 100%. It feels the same to me. Yes there are many differences. As with every analogy.

My point is that if you edit an article on Wikipedia, you can't reasonably expect the article to be as you left it. Every article is ever changing and nobody gets to stake a claim to anything they write.

I don't disagree with that point.

Re: Lamest Edit Wars

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Post by tgv »

ipaddr wrote: post #48
zamnos wrote: post #33

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As anybody with dual citizenship has the passports to prove it, Jus Soli is only half (or a third, for triple citizenship) the story.

Anyone with a dual should give one to a stateless person. The group no one talks about.

That's not how nationality/citizenship works, is it?

Re: Lamest Edit Wars

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Post by elliottkember »

survivorBias wrote: post #75
elliottkember wrote: post #50

I love it. What fun. I love the discourse and I love the edit wars. Everybody here seems to be talking about how disappointing this is. But this is exactly what Wikipedia is - this is Wikipedia working as intended. This article calls these lame but then relishes them one by one. There’s something quite precious about this.

Unresolved conflicts and civil disagreement whil eventually compromising is what democracy is all about..

“You can’t fight in here, this is the war room!”

Re: Lamest Edit Wars

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Post by ipaddr »

tgv wrote: post #87
ipaddr wrote: post #48

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Anyone with a dual should give one to a stateless person. The group no one talks about.

That's not how nationality/citizenship works, is it?

Not saying they could but think of how many people have more than one citizenship and how many have none. Without a state you are shutoff from everything from the internet to basic rights or a legal place to live. Existing is most likely violating someone's law

Re: Lamest Edit Wars

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Post by zamnos »

effingwewt wrote: post #74
zamnos wrote: post #36

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It is petty? If you have a vested interest in cryptocurrency, in particular a cryptocurrency that you've got a lot of, and a vested interest in a different cryptocurrency not replacing yours, that gives someone real financial motive not to allow negative comments about the former, and to make it sound like the latter is on shakey ground and is just moments from collapse. I'd flex whatever Wikipedia editor privileges…

It would be petty. Your example would be greedy and petty, and a couple other words.

Mind explaining how it's petty when life-changing amounts of money are on the line?
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