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Re: Reddit takes a new direction

#101

Post by mfjordvald »

ugh wrote: post #91
sophacles wrote: post #72

Earlier quoted context omitted.

* And I think we can all say the result is a lot more pleasant than a less tended place such as Reddit or 4chan.* I am honestly not sure we can say that at all. I thoroughly enjoy both hn and reddit, for completely different reasons . Sure, from a strictly legal standpoint, it isn't censorship or a constitutional issue, but at the same time, the "anything goes" attitude in places like 4chan and reddit allow for a lot…

For fucks sake. Is that really so hard to understand? Pedos can’t trade their images anymore (whether legal or not). That’s the extent of the limitation. How the fuck is that supposed to turn Reddit into something radically different? It’s this one tiny thing. It’s not some big change that changes Reddit. It’s not so hard. Some people just want to be deliberately obtuse. The slippery slope is a fucking fallacy!

Except the subreddits banned were some with pictures of older teenage girls (15-17) in non nude situations, the most edgy being bikini pictures. Something that belongs on reddit? That's for you to decide. Paedophilia material? No, not even fucking close.

Besides, pedos wouldn't trade images on reddit, I really refuse to believe people would be stupid enough to trade such pictures through a US website which offers no anonymity.

Re: Reddit takes a new direction

#102

Post by ugh »

Anderkent wrote: post #92
blhack wrote: post #75

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>I don't find anything wrong with a teenage girl being teased about a photo she posted to the internet. Well that's telling.

Telling how? I believe if you do something stupid then you should be ridiculed for doing it. How is this case something special? Perhaps we have a different understanding what it means to tease someone. For me it means (and the free dictionary seems to agree) to annoy, make fun of, mock playfully without degrading the person.

It’s grade A victim blaming.

Re: Reddit takes a new direction

#103

Post by Anderkent »

ugh wrote: post #96
Anderkent wrote: post #31

Earlier quoted context omitted.

He mentioned SOPA PIPA and ACTA because somethingawfuls stance of these reflects its general trustworthiness. No one argues that illegal content should not be removed, and uploaders banned. Which was already being done. Child pornography was never allowed on reddit, and was removed as it was reported. This is not preventing 'exploitation of children', it's just a majority censoring topics it finds inconvenient/distur…

SA is in favor of SOPA and PIPA? Huh?

Well, I didn't verify the claim made by previous post, only addressed how it is relevant (if true).

Re: Reddit takes a new direction

#104

Post by fein »

ugh wrote: post #91
sophacles wrote: post #72

Earlier quoted context omitted.

* And I think we can all say the result is a lot more pleasant than a less tended place such as Reddit or 4chan.* I am honestly not sure we can say that at all. I thoroughly enjoy both hn and reddit, for completely different reasons . Sure, from a strictly legal standpoint, it isn't censorship or a constitutional issue, but at the same time, the "anything goes" attitude in places like 4chan and reddit allow for a lot…

For fucks sake. Is that really so hard to understand? Pedos can’t trade their images anymore (whether legal or not). That’s the extent of the limitation. How the fuck is that supposed to turn Reddit into something radically different? It’s this one tiny thing. It’s not some big change that changes Reddit. It’s not so hard. Some people just want to be deliberately obtuse. The slippery slope is a fucking fallacy!

"Pedos can’t trade their images anymore (whether legal or not)."

The only thing that this move ended up doing was ensuring the use of private subreddits for this act. People aren't going to change simply because someone told them that what they already knew was wrong is now more wrong. The content will still be traded on reddit (even though I highly doubt that cheese pizza pm's actually happened very often), just not with a public pool to gather from.

Plus, all of this shit is still up on imgur.

Re: Reddit takes a new direction

#105

Post by Anderkent »

ugh wrote: post #102
Anderkent wrote: post #92

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Telling how? I believe if you do something stupid then you should be ridiculed for doing it. How is this case something special? Perhaps we have a different understanding what it means to tease someone. For me it means (and the free dictionary seems to agree) to annoy, make fun of, mock playfully without degrading the person.

It’s grade A victim blaming.

How so? If a girl posts a picture of her in her underwear on the internet and she gets ridiculed for it, how is that victim blaming? She did something stupid, she got teased about it, case closed.

Re: Reddit takes a new direction

#106

Post by Jun8 »

ugh wrote: post #91
sophacles wrote: post #72

Earlier quoted context omitted.

* And I think we can all say the result is a lot more pleasant than a less tended place such as Reddit or 4chan.* I am honestly not sure we can say that at all. I thoroughly enjoy both hn and reddit, for completely different reasons . Sure, from a strictly legal standpoint, it isn't censorship or a constitutional issue, but at the same time, the "anything goes" attitude in places like 4chan and reddit allow for a lot…

For fucks sake. Is that really so hard to understand? Pedos can’t trade their images anymore (whether legal or not). That’s the extent of the limitation. How the fuck is that supposed to turn Reddit into something radically different? It’s this one tiny thing. It’s not some big change that changes Reddit. It’s not so hard. Some people just want to be deliberately obtuse. The slippery slope is a fucking fallacy!

Just because you think some people enjoy looking at pictures of young-looking girls (in some cases it's hard to estimate their ages) you think they are "pedos" (and you also create a legal vs. illegal distinction, too). By the same token of jumping to conclusions from small sample of behavior I judge that you are a complete hedge brain, because you cannot even find a synonym for fuck in a short comment.

It is ironic (I wonder if you can understand it) that, had the sort of limitation that you back were in effect on HN, comments like yours would have been deleted.

Re: Reddit takes a new direction

#107

Post by wnoise »

Alex3917 wrote: post #67
kijin wrote: post #28

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Exchanging child pornography is illegal in the United States (as well as in many other countries). There's nothing unreasonable about stating in your TOS that you can't have a subreddit the very existence of which breaks the law. Sure, people can try to reopen these subreddits under different names, but once the rule is in the TOS, they can be reported on and shut down as a matter of routine. The same applies to ware…

"Exchanging information about marijuana is not." Except for that now the Obama administration is trying to charge anyone who speaks out in favor of drug reform under the RICO laws, which carry a possible death penalty. Some Montana legislator was just charged a couple weeks ago.

[citation needed]

Re: Reddit takes a new direction

#108

Post by mistercow »

kijin wrote: post #28
alecco wrote: post #12

Reddit is changing. It's currently in a renewed and stronger Eternal September. Bastion subreddits like /r/AskScience and /r/Truereddit are reduced to junk and fads. The hope for the group of moderated subreddits (Republic of Reddit) didn't really take off, it's just a handful of submitters. The top voted comments on threads about censorship are mostly 1 to 3 months old users. And now reddit (had to) surrender to a d…

Exchanging child pornography is illegal in the United States (as well as in many other countries). There's nothing unreasonable about stating in your TOS that you can't have a subreddit the very existence of which breaks the law. Sure, people can try to reopen these subreddits under different names, but once the rule is in the TOS, they can be reported on and shut down as a matter of routine. The same applies to ware…

> There's nothing unreasonable about stating in your TOS that you can't have a subreddit the very existence of which breaks the law.

That's not what they did. What they did was to say that suggestive content featuring minors is prohibited. I feel like a broken record, but I guess I need to keep reiterating this: Romeo and Juliet is suggestive content featuring minors.

> You could download kiddie porn on /r/jailbait

No you couldn't. Nothing pornographic or illegal was ever allowed on /r/jailbait. It might have gotten posted a few times, but the submitters would have been banned.

Re: Reddit takes a new direction

#110

Post by Steko »

a_redditor wrote: post #80
jasonkester wrote: post #63

People tend to think of online communities as democracies where the freedoms they're accustomed to from their normal lives apply. So when a post gets deleted by a moderator, people tend to think of it as a freedom of speech issue. There's a whole constitution out there specifically defending anybody's right to create a pro-Nazi subreddit, and to otherwise post anything they please on the site so long as it's not ille…

I think you're missing the point of the users who see this new rule as a negative mark against reddit. The admins have always been supportive of allowing any content that is legal, even up to a very specific definition, which is why these now removed subreddits were allowed to exist for so long. Lots of people are making the slippery slope argument, saying things along the lines of "how long before they ban /r/trees?…

"I think you're missing the point of the users who see this new rule as a negative mark against reddit"

We see the point, we're saying it doesn't matter. It's been pretty obvious over the last year that this train has been coming down the tracks and there's ultimately only one way it could play out.

The spam rule was already there and it's not rocket surgery to realize that any content more objectionable then spam is also eventually going to be excluded.

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