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Re: Ancient Greek terms worth reviving

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Post by emporas »

rippercushions wrote: post #75
emporas wrote: post #39

As a Greek, living in Greece i second most of the terms. Know thyself (γνώθι σαυτόν) is a big one as well. Ancient Greeks were masters of psychology, i.e. what kind of animal humans are. Are we a good creature by nature or a bad one? The more we study chimps the more we realize that we, as their descendants, are pretty vicious as well. Education by our parents, schools and social circles play a big role, to keep in c…

First I'd heard of this, but there is some preliminary evidence that saffron has positive effects on depressive symptoms: https://academic.oup.com/nutritionreviews/article/77/8/557/5... But if this was really significant, you'd expect saffron-producing/eating countries to stand out. Iran is #1, are they really all 1,000,000x happy geniuses?

Actually it is very expensive. I am talking about consuming a lot of grams every day, 50 to 100 grams, which is not a lot given it is roughly 1/1000 of the weight of a normal human, but it is the luxury of a millionaire for the moment. It is true that we most probably don't see any statistical correlation between saffron consumption and intelligence, especially in a country level, but i would argue, that the dosage makes the genius.

Some of the virtues of the article, are a state of mind anyway, that's why i mention saffron. Many people are eating too much, only to feel better. Food has certainly the ability to alter our state of mind, which in some cases ends up in obesity.

Virtues in the article, like apatheia, ataraxia, eudaimonia include in their meaning, not indulging in every pleasure in excess, and food is one of them. Well, that can be automated by producing more saffron and lowering it's price.

Re: Ancient Greek terms worth reviving

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Post by emporas »

ftxbro wrote: post #65
emporas wrote: post #39

As a Greek, living in Greece i second most of the terms. Know thyself (γνώθι σαυτόν) is a big one as well. Ancient Greeks were masters of psychology, i.e. what kind of animal humans are. Are we a good creature by nature or a bad one? The more we study chimps the more we realize that we, as their descendants, are pretty vicious as well. Education by our parents, schools and social circles play a big role, to keep in c…

> "As a Greek, living in Greece i second most of the terms. Know thyself (γνώθι σαυτόν) is a big one as well. Ancient Greeks were masters of psychology, i.e. what kind of animal humans are. Are we a good creature by nature or a bad one?" Cool! I hope we can learn from this rich vocabulary the Greeks have developed to describe and to understand our common nature. > "So there is a solution for every person on the plane…

>Cool! I hope we can learn from this rich vocabulary the Greeks have developed to describe and to understand our common nature.

I have written an article recently, in which i renamed Tor -> Pandiodos, Torrent -> Logothece, Bitcoin -> Drattergon,

/google emporas lichess blog/ it is somewhere there.

Re: Ancient Greek terms worth reviving

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Post by emmelaich »

hasmanean wrote: post #22

In this age of social media, the word sophrosyne should be revived. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sophrosyne?wprov=sfti1

I think this is close to the real meaning of "meek" as used in "the meek shall inherit the earth". It's not meekness as we know it but being gentle(manly|womanly).

From your link - "such as temperance, moderation, prudence, purity, decorum, and self-control."

Re: Ancient Greek terms worth reviving

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Post by emporas »

Taywee wrote: post #54
emporas wrote: post #50

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Indeed it doesn't mean that, you are right. We share so many genes, so loosely speaking, we are their descendants. Which we are not, but for all practical purposes, we can approximately find correlations between our species, and that one, better than any other.

We are descended from chimps in the same way that I am descended from my cousin. Edit: I'm realizing this could be a language barrier. "Descendent" is the inverse of "ancestor". A descendent is directly downward in lineage from an ancestor.

Oh, yeah, maybe that is. So with chimps we share a common ancestor. Even more accurate, chimps are our closest relative species living on earth today, with which we share the more close/recent ancestor.

Re: Ancient Greek terms worth reviving

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Post by lmm »

zabzonk wrote: post #43
emporas wrote: post #39

As a Greek, living in Greece i second most of the terms. Know thyself (γνώθι σαυτόν) is a big one as well. Ancient Greeks were masters of psychology, i.e. what kind of animal humans are. Are we a good creature by nature or a bad one? The more we study chimps the more we realize that we, as their descendants, are pretty vicious as well. Education by our parents, schools and social circles play a big role, to keep in c…

> The more we study chimps the more we realize that we, as their descendants we are not descended from chimps

Your own link below implies this is an open debate; that it is at least arguable that the CHLCA is a species that would be correctly classified in Pan i.e. a chimp.

Re: Ancient Greek terms worth reviving

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Post by Cpoll »

HKH2 wrote: post #80
pjungwir wrote: post #25

These are great suggestions. Adding these words to your own internal vocabulary is totally worth it for self-reflection. Less seriously, a grammatical construction I wish we had in English is the Latin future passive participle, typically ending in -ndus, -nda, -ndum. It means that something needs/ought to be done. For instance "Amanda" is "she who must be loved." So if someone asks you why your feature isn't in prod…

> future passive participle, typically ending in -ndus, -nda, -ndum. ... > It means that something needs/ought to be done. > something needs/ought to be done. > "she who must be loved." All of your examples are in the present tense.

Some of those are contextual, but "ought to be done" is certainly future tense, it's referring to a future activity. It's a pretty apt example for future passive, juxtaposing the future active "will be done."

Or at least that's how I reason it. English is rather hard to analyze sometimes.

Re: Ancient Greek terms worth reviving

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Post by sk5t »

pjungwir wrote: post #25

These are great suggestions. Adding these words to your own internal vocabulary is totally worth it for self-reflection. Less seriously, a grammatical construction I wish we had in English is the Latin future passive participle, typically ending in -ndus, -nda, -ndum. It means that something needs/ought to be done. For instance "Amanda" is "she who must be loved." So if someone asks you why your feature isn't in prod…

Ceterum censeo Carthaginem esse Amanda.

Re: Ancient Greek terms worth reviving

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Post by boerseth »

pjungwir wrote: post #25

These are great suggestions. Adding these words to your own internal vocabulary is totally worth it for self-reflection. Less seriously, a grammatical construction I wish we had in English is the Latin future passive participle, typically ending in -ndus, -nda, -ndum. It means that something needs/ought to be done. For instance "Amanda" is "she who must be loved." So if someone asks you why your feature isn't in prod…

Reminds me of one thing I loved about Esperanto. It has (almost) all the participles you could ever need: past, present, and future, in both passive and active voices. So "to love"/"ami" would have

    # Passive
    amita - to have been loved
    amata - to be loved
    amota - to be going to be loved

    # Active
    aminta - to have been loving
    amanta - loving
    amonta - to be going to be loving
Passive and active are only distinguished by "-t- / -nt-". Anyhow, all of these are effectively adjectives, and can be combined with "esti (to be)" in any tense to express a huge variety of meanings:

    Li estis amita - He had been loved
    Ŝi estas amanta - She is loving
    Mi estos amota - I will be going to be loved
Notice that generally the vowels "i/a/o" map to past, present, and future respectively, both for tenses of verbs and participles.

You can create 9 combinations from these simple shapes (or 18 of you count passives), and if you draw them on a time-line they will correspond to distinct sub-sets.

There also some participles like "amanda/amindo/amenda" but I have simply forgotten what they each mean. I think one of them mean "worthy of being loved", another meaning "should be loved".

Re: Ancient Greek terms worth reviving

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Post by emporas »

lmm wrote: post #85
zabzonk wrote: post #43

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> The more we study chimps the more we realize that we, as their descendants we are not descended from chimps

Your own link below implies this is an open debate; that it is at least arguable that the CHLCA is a species that would be correctly classified in Pan i.e. a chimp.

Yep, indeed i read it as well, there is not enough evidence to claim that for sure, but taxonomy is difficult even for living species on earth today. I thought, let's suppose for the sake of the argument, that Pan are different species.

I strongly recommend "You're Basically The Hagfish of Reptiles..." [1]. It will make your head spin.

[1]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xb_pvKbtWd8

Re: Ancient Greek terms worth reviving

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Post by tetromino_ »

kazinator wrote: post #32
olalonde wrote: post #28

Earlier quoted context omitted.

arrêter*

Thanks! Does that negate any link between the words?

French arête in the sense of "ridge" comes from Old French areste and Latin arista "bristle, fishbone", whose etymology is unclear [1] (Etruscan has been sometimes proposed, among other hypotheses), but which is certainly not related to Greek arete.

[1] https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/arista#Latin

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