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Re: GitHub code search is generally available

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Post by lolinder »

Klonoar wrote: post #114
JohnFen wrote: post #57

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> more people aren't talking about how Microsoft has a near monopoly on the developer ecosystem. But do they? In my day job, outside of the occasional use of Visual Studio and developing on a Windows machine, I use no Microsoft products for development. > credit to Microsoft for rehabbing their reputation with developers With a fair number of younger developers, but certainly not all. Most devs I know don't think of…

Your particular individual experience is not representative of the overall reach that Microsoft has, which is what OP is pointing out. GitHub is the defacto "point" of software these days, with most devs jumping to that before anything else. VSCode is the highest ranked editor from the StackOverflow 2023 survey, with (IIRC) something akin to 70%. Azure is the icing on the cake, because now you have an entire generati…

2023 isn't live yet, but 74% of respondents used VSCode in 2022[0].

That said, the numbers are hard to compare because they allow selecting multiple choices and they split the JetBrains products up, while VSCode is considered as one tool.

If you add together all the JetBrains products they reach 94%. I expect there's a ton of overlap that brings that number back down, but it's enough to make me suspect that VSCode's lead isn't as high as the numbers in the survey make it look.

[0] https://survey.stackoverflow.co/2022/#technology-most-popula...

Re: GitHub code search is generally available

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Post by tiffanyh »

ren_engineer wrote: post #23

Surprised more people aren't talking about how Microsoft has a near monopoly on the developer ecosystem. They've got GitHub, OpenAI, and VS Code all working together and collecting data that strengthen each other's products while also using their embrace, extend, extinguish strategy with WSL and all of these steer people towards Azure services whenever possible. Seems like something that verges on an anti-trust situa…

No one is talking about it because developer tools is literally the core business Microsoft is in and was founded as such, 48-years ago.

Yes, they have expanded in many ways - but developer tools/languages/IDEs/libraries is their bread & butter.

The famous “Developers Developers Developers” by Steve Ballmer.

https://youtu.be/Vhh_GeBPOhs

Re: GitHub code search is generally available

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Post by lolinder »

lelandfe wrote: post #106
tester756 wrote: post #93

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"monopoly on developer ecosystem" GitHub? fair OpenAI? how is this a part of dev. ecosystem? Vs Code? wtf? there's a lot of other IDEs/editors and many would argue that they are better >embrace, extend, extinguish strategy with WSL They are EEEing their product - Windows?

> Vs Code? wtf? there's a lot of other IDEs/editors and many would argue that they are better VS Code is hugely dominant in terms of IDEs used by developers per the StackOverflow survey. It commands more than double the percentage of the next most used… and the second place is Visual Studio. https://survey.stackoverflow.co/2022/#most-popular-technolog...

Those numbers are a bit misleading because they split up the JetBrains products, making JetBrains look like a smaller market than it actually is. If you add up all their tools, they hit 94% to VS Code's 74%. Obviously there are a lot of people using multiple JetBrains tools and that bloats that number, but the huge difference demonstrates how flawed SO's numbers are for gauging market share.

Also, I suspect that most people who mark a JetBrains IDE also mark a secondary editor that's lighter weight, but it's hard to tell how that all breaks down with the way they present the data. I spend about 90% of my work day in WebStorm and occasionally move over to VSCode for loading a large directory that I don't want to index. When I filled out the survey, due to they way they worded it, I marked both tools.

Re: GitHub code search is generally available

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Post by 29athrowaway »

tiffanyh wrote: post #122
ren_engineer wrote: post #23

Surprised more people aren't talking about how Microsoft has a near monopoly on the developer ecosystem. They've got GitHub, OpenAI, and VS Code all working together and collecting data that strengthen each other's products while also using their embrace, extend, extinguish strategy with WSL and all of these steer people towards Azure services whenever possible. Seems like something that verges on an anti-trust situa…

No one is talking about it because developer tools is literally the core business Microsoft is in and was founded as such, 48-years ago. Yes, they have expanded in many ways - but developer tools/languages/IDEs/libraries is their bread & butter. The famous “Developers Developers Developers” by Steve Ballmer. https://youtu.be/Vhh_GeBPOhs

Now it's helping developers to feed the AI for free.

Re: GitHub code search is generally available

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Post by arp242 »

evilspammer wrote: post #75
pydry wrote: post #74

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One of the best things that could be done for open source is to break the monopoly on those damn stars. Open source would be a lot healthier if social proof were portable across platforms.

...who has ever cared about stars?

"Stars" do provide a nice signal about whether something sees wide use or not. I typically check out most dependencies I add to my projects, but I will give a lot more attention to a project with 9 stars than a dependency with 9,000 stars.

And it also gives a good indication what common de-facto standards are within an ecosystem.

Re: GitHub code search is generally available

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Post by CodexArcana »

capableweb wrote: post #99
tester756 wrote: post #93

Earlier quoted context omitted.

"monopoly on developer ecosystem" GitHub? fair OpenAI? how is this a part of dev. ecosystem? Vs Code? wtf? there's a lot of other IDEs/editors and many would argue that they are better >embrace, extend, extinguish strategy with WSL They are EEEing their product - Windows?

> > embrace, extend, extinguish strategy with WSL > They are EEEing their product - Windows? No, Linux obviously. First they like and integrate Linux into their own products. Azure, WSL and others. Then, they provide extensions that are closed-source on top of those. With the goal to extinguish the original project so they have more control over the direction.

If it was that easy to kill Linux it would have happened already. Chad Linux, open source free software, withstanding the full might of the multi billion dollar juggernaut Microsoft.

Re: GitHub code search is generally available

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Post by Klonoar »

lolinder wrote: post #121
Klonoar wrote: post #114

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Your particular individual experience is not representative of the overall reach that Microsoft has, which is what OP is pointing out. GitHub is the defacto "point" of software these days, with most devs jumping to that before anything else. VSCode is the highest ranked editor from the StackOverflow 2023 survey, with (IIRC) something akin to 70%. Azure is the icing on the cake, because now you have an entire generati…

2023 isn't live yet, but 74% of respondents used VSCode in 2022[0]. That said, the numbers are hard to compare because they allow selecting multiple choices and they split the JetBrains products up, while VSCode is considered as one tool. If you add together all the JetBrains products they reach 94%. I expect there's a ton of overlap that brings that number back down, but it's enough to make me suspect that VSCode's…

I typo'd 2023, so thanks for that correction!

Re: GitHub code search is generally available

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Post by fomine3 »

tipsytoad wrote: post #117
coffeebeqn wrote: post #112

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VSCode is just the lowest common denominator IDE that works decently with most languages and platforms, I use it a lot but would not think twice about switching to something else (as I have many times in my career). I don’t think it really has any “moat”

Lol. Except the huge library of plugins, tight copilot integration and majority market share

and Remote Development extensions

Re: GitHub code search is generally available

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Post by s3graham »

colin353 wrote: post #7

I'm Colin from GitHub's code search team, happy to answer any questions. For more info on how we built this, you can check out our technical blog post from a few months ago https://github.blog/2023-02-06-the-technology-behind-githubs...

I've been using it for a few weeks, and it's a great improvement, congrats on the launch.

(Pleeeease make the right click context menu just be the normal default menu though, I (apparently) "Right-click > Back" a lot when using a mouse rather than a trackpad and I keep getting that goofy Emoji dialog.)

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