My guess would be the US is still the world leader in imperialism/psyops/cultural influencing in any form of media.
Or that's what their propaganda would have you believe, anyway.
>their propaganda
We have solid evidence.
The Vietnamese military has an actual troll army and Facebook is its weapon
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Re: The Vietnamese military has an actual troll army and Facebook is its weapon
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"Dozens of former national security officials have gone to work for Facebook and Twitter after leaving government service, raising concerns about the influence of their onetime agencies over the social media giants. [0] At Twitter alone, at least eight former FBI agents work at the company’s so-called “trust” and “security” divisions — including its product policy manager Greg Anderson, who previously worked on “psyc…
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>if you've completely ignored that they are no longer employed by the CIA
Once a nazi, always a nazi. Same with CIA.
Re: The Vietnamese military has an actual troll army and Facebook is its weapon
#93Or, to put it another way, average commenters are fighting against coordinated groups of state actors just to have genuine discussions. And it would shock me if Vietnam was a leader in this space. It's like how ads pit big bags of mostly water against billions of dollars worth of psychological manipulation. Us mere mortals have no chance.
It's quite wide spread. There were reports about Israel doing it, Russia doing it and now Vietnam. I'm sure it's done by many many more. In Turkey Erdoğan's presidential communications office has budget of 100 million dollars and 30 story building. He has also 11 million registered members and the word on the street is that they are granting jobs based on social media trolling performance and pay for tweets. When Mus…
>It's quite wide spread. There were reports about Israel doing it, Russia doing it and now Vietnam.
And of course leaving out USA doesn't make you a shill, right?
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It's quite wide spread. There were reports about Israel doing it, Russia doing it and now Vietnam. I'm sure it's done by many many more. In Turkey Erdoğan's presidential communications office has budget of 100 million dollars and 30 story building. He has also 11 million registered members and the word on the street is that they are granting jobs based on social media trolling performance and pay for tweets. When Mus…
>It's quite wide spread. There were reports about Israel doing it, Russia doing it and now Vietnam. And of course leaving out USA doesn't make you a shill, right?
You got me, I usually write comprehensive lists when giving examples but this time I was paid to leave out the USA.
It's a very lucrative business, I can write hundreds of lists a day and for each list I'm getting paid by the governments who would like to stay out of my lists.
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One might consider that the FBI and CIA are the kind of organizations to have people on their payroll who are actually told to go to Facebook and lie to a hiring manager, saying, "I used to work for the CIA." Whose record is it that the person no longer works for the CIA? Only if I blindly trust the word of an organization which is opaque by design do I believe it to be as simple as you profess.
To believe that, you must believe that the people who hired them at Facebook and Twitter are stupid. When these people are told to work for drug dealers or terrorists, they don't put the CIA or the FBI on their resume. Here, their former employment is out in the open. If they really wanted to get away with doing work for their former employer at their new employer, they wouldn't put their former employer on their resume.
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Russia is known to have loads of trolls on the government payroll. I am under the impression that western governments don't do this but who knows...
From my experiences on Twitter with various anonymous accounts parroting the state department line, and US military doctrine for total domination of the battle space, I am absolutely sure they are doing this either via a contractor, ally, or inside cyber command or DIA etc. The 2012 NDAA removed the ban on US domestic influence operations. https://www.businessinsider.com/ndaa-legalizes-propaganda-20... https://foreig…
You can see exactly who is performing the work based on defense contractor job postings matching sock puppet programs.
Spoiler: a lot of agencies have a program need for this type of thing
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From my experiences on Twitter with various anonymous accounts parroting the state department line, and US military doctrine for total domination of the battle space, I am absolutely sure they are doing this either via a contractor, ally, or inside cyber command or DIA etc. The 2012 NDAA removed the ban on US domestic influence operations. https://www.businessinsider.com/ndaa-legalizes-propaganda-20... https://foreig…
You can see exactly who is performing the work based on defense contractor job postings matching sock puppet programs. Spoiler: a lot of agencies have a program need for this type of thing
Can you elaborate? That's so interesting.
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It's a crap argument. We have evidence that certain states -- China, Russia, Israel, Vietnamn, etc. -- employs state-sponsored troll groups. We don't have evidence that most countries use such strategies. It's like claiming that Japan has the worst ninjas since good ninjas don't expose themselves and we haven't heard anything about other countries' ninjas.
you literally just scrolled past several comments with evidence to make this reply. not to mention how naive one's priors must be to think no western actors engage in these activities, given everything else we know about the US espionage apparatus and foreign propaganda efforts
This cynical take ignores that in free societies, such efforts are far less effective than in closed societies with no free media and no tradition of civic participation and civil disobedience. COVID showed that very well.
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Russia is known to have loads of trolls on the government payroll. I am under the impression that western governments don't do this but who knows...
>I am under the impression that western governments don't do this but who knows... Is this sarcasm? We know the US absolutely does, and targets USAmericans as well. https://foreignpolicy.com/2013/07/14/u-s-repeals-propaganda-... https://northwesternlawreview.org/issues/apple-pie-propagand... https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Smith%E2%80%93Mundt_Act
The US undoubtedly engages in widespread propaganda, but I think they use more "open" methods. They won't clandestinely pretend to be your local neighbor on a Facebook group, but they will gladly plaster enticing high production quality recruitment ads on every surface and openly foot the bill for the American tanks and fighter jets in the next action movie.
The funny thing about propaganda is that it is still largely effective even when openly disclosed as such. The human brain is a sucker.
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Russia is known to have loads of trolls on the government payroll. I am under the impression that western governments don't do this but who knows...
We absolutely do. This is literally what psychological operations [1] are. In the US each branch of the military even has their own distinct psyop divisions with mottos like "Never Seen, Always Heard." Here's [2] a recruitment video from the Army's 4th Psyop Group [3], entitled "Ghosts in the Machine." It's really well done and, more importantly, not at all subtle about what they do. And now add LLMs into the picture…
Yes, but are they actually forum trolls of the kind Russia employs? Do American soldiers have keyword alerts on Twitter and crowd out certain topics with inane bullshit?