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Russians Seem Interested in My Book About How Dictatorships End

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Re: Russians Seem Interested in My Book About How Dictatorships End

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dragonwriter wrote: post #89
thriftwy wrote: post #88

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EU did not cause the war in Ukraine. Soviets did, by appending Donetsk Krivorozhye Republic to Ukraine SSR. But, the fact is that expansion of EU and EU influence in Ukraine were conductive of that war instead of being a deterrent.

> EU did not cause the war in Ukraine. Correct. > Soviets did, by appending Donetsk Krivorozhye Republic to Ukraine SSR. No, the Russian Federation did, by launching an unprovoked war of aggression against Ukraine.

Ukraine did not control Crimea, Donetsk and Lugansk for almost a decade. The north cyprus / north ireland situation existed before the war, which does look idiotic to me presently.

Re: Russians Seem Interested in My Book About How Dictatorships End

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thriftwy wrote: post #91
dragonwriter wrote: post #89

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> EU did not cause the war in Ukraine. Correct. > Soviets did, by appending Donetsk Krivorozhye Republic to Ukraine SSR. No, the Russian Federation did, by launching an unprovoked war of aggression against Ukraine.

Ukraine did not control Crimea, Donetsk and Lugansk for almost a decade. The north cyprus / north ireland situation existed before the war, which does look idiotic to me presently.

The war started with the 2014 invasion, not the 2022 escalation.

Re: Russians Seem Interested in My Book About How Dictatorships End

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red-iron-pine wrote: post #86
bequanna wrote: post #24

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Who would win: An unarmed populace vs one of the best equipped militaries in the world? Unless you get a bunch of Russian generals to defect, the people don’t stand a chance.

> Who would win: An unarmed populace vs one of the best equipped militaries in the world? Not anymore. The Russian Army in WW1 was considerably larger, and conquered considerably more land, too. Yet they got Kerensky, and eventually, Lenin.

They had a large bunch of traitorous army generals.

Re: Russians Seem Interested in My Book About How Dictatorships End

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Post by simion314 »

thriftwy wrote: post #90
simion314 wrote: post #82

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I am talking about Ruzzians === the Z patriots. They are so brainwashed that they actually believe the LGBTQ and Israel and other evil gangs are up to pervert Russia. The Z-eds are also proud of Putin's crimes and the dictatorship, they even try to explain why democracy is bad. This failled empire needs to fail from inside like URSS did and the other communist countries, and time needs to pass so tne non brainwashed…

* Expecting a non-brainwashed, sane generation to take steer * Also expecting them to lose a war voluntarily, agree to trillion of reparations and divide their country to dozens of strifing principalities. Russian opposition is very self discredited. Compared to them, any version of patriot is super sane and non brainwashed.

Losing the war and Ukraine is unavoidable, the new generation is a hope we have for the Russians. Before this war I was stupidly thinking that most young Russians are more similar with us Easter Europeans then Americans, I was wrong, we have a shared experience of the terrible communist era but for some reason Russians what the URSS back (but they think this time it will be better)

Re: Russians Seem Interested in My Book About How Dictatorships End

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Post by thriftwy »

dragonwriter wrote: post #92
thriftwy wrote: post #91

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Ukraine did not control Crimea, Donetsk and Lugansk for almost a decade. The north cyprus / north ireland situation existed before the war, which does look idiotic to me presently.

The war started with the 2014 invasion, not the 2022 escalation.

Okay, so? Another war was started in 1974 by Turkey. I rest the case.

Re: Russians Seem Interested in My Book About How Dictatorships End

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Post by thriftwy »

simion314 wrote: post #94
thriftwy wrote: post #90

Earlier quoted context omitted.

* Expecting a non-brainwashed, sane generation to take steer * Also expecting them to lose a war voluntarily, agree to trillion of reparations and divide their country to dozens of strifing principalities. Russian opposition is very self discredited. Compared to them, any version of patriot is super sane and non brainwashed.

Losing the war and Ukraine is unavoidable, the new generation is a hope we have for the Russians. Before this war I was stupidly thinking that most young Russians are more similar with us Easter Europeans then Americans, I was wrong, we have a shared experience of the terrible communist era but for some reason Russians what the URSS back (but they think this time it will be better)

When push comes to shove, Ukraine runs out of Ukrainians much sooner than that is true for Russia. This is an unfortunate turn of events, but if you say "we're ruin your military wise and invade you by force", molon labe.

This has absolutely nothing in common with wanting the USSR back. Russians do contempt modern Ukraine and Baltic states, but they are not universally fans of USSR. Some are, but they're being overly romantic.

Eastern Europeans are pathetic people who only saw like 10% of hardships of Communism and came out whining like they saw 500% of those. Now you have a different good lord to whom you sing praise like you did to Soviet communists just 35 years back. Don't consider yourself to be like Russians because we are not the same.

Re: Russians Seem Interested in My Book About How Dictatorships End

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Post by simion314 »

thriftwy wrote: post #96
simion314 wrote: post #94

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Losing the war and Ukraine is unavoidable, the new generation is a hope we have for the Russians. Before this war I was stupidly thinking that most young Russians are more similar with us Easter Europeans then Americans, I was wrong, we have a shared experience of the terrible communist era but for some reason Russians what the URSS back (but they think this time it will be better)

When push comes to shove, Ukraine runs out of Ukrainians much sooner than that is true for Russia. This is an unfortunate turn of events, but if you say "we're ruin your military wise and invade you by force", molon labe . This has absolutely nothing in common with wanting the USSR back. Russians do contempt modern Ukraine and Baltic states, but they are not universally fans of USSR. Some are, but they're being overl…

How are you so sure you understand how much eastern european suffered? I am sure your Russian history has a giant bias and omits all the shit URSS stole, all the crimes they did in eastern Europe.

We are not the same, I wrongly thought that we might be more similar since we shared some trauma, but as i said I was wrong. I need to re-evaluate all the Russians I know online and try to figure-out if they in fact are imperialists/fascists that think God chose their nation to rule Eastern Europe or if they are the smarter/human Russians.

Re: Russians Seem Interested in My Book About How Dictatorships End

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Post by thriftwy »

simion314 wrote: post #97
thriftwy wrote: post #96

Earlier quoted context omitted.

When push comes to shove, Ukraine runs out of Ukrainians much sooner than that is true for Russia. This is an unfortunate turn of events, but if you say "we're ruin your military wise and invade you by force", molon labe . This has absolutely nothing in common with wanting the USSR back. Russians do contempt modern Ukraine and Baltic states, but they are not universally fans of USSR. Some are, but they're being overl…

How are you so sure you understand how much eastern european suffered? I am sure your Russian history has a giant bias and omits all the shit URSS stole, all the crimes they did in eastern Europe. We are not the same, I wrongly thought that we might be more similar since we shared some trauma, but as i said I was wrong. I need to re-evaluate all the Russians I know online and try to figure-out if they in fact are imp…

I'm not sure who stole your shit because I've never seen it around here, so it must have landed somewhere else - maybe you should go look elsewhere. When you talk about "crimes", I don't feel that you've even began to understand what a Communist regime can do to a country. Read about Collectivization one day, or about Solovki camps.

We did not share anything, the USSR breastfeeded the Eastern Europe for a few decades while starving its own Russian population like the proverbial reverse colony which siphons wealth from its core, and you came out really entitled. Of course, they were all so bad at economy that nobody was feeling exactly well off, but I'm not sure why you would blame that on Russians specifically, who are the main victims of the whole marxist hodge podge.

Re: Russians Seem Interested in My Book About How Dictatorships End

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Post by simion314 »

thriftwy wrote: post #98
simion314 wrote: post #97

Earlier quoted context omitted.

How are you so sure you understand how much eastern european suffered? I am sure your Russian history has a giant bias and omits all the shit URSS stole, all the crimes they did in eastern Europe. We are not the same, I wrongly thought that we might be more similar since we shared some trauma, but as i said I was wrong. I need to re-evaluate all the Russians I know online and try to figure-out if they in fact are imp…

I'm not sure who stole your shit because I've never seen it around here, so it must have landed somewhere else - maybe you should go look elsewhere. When you talk about "crimes", I don't feel that you've even began to understand what a Communist regime can do to a country. Read about Collectivization one day, or about Solovki camps. We did not share anything, the USSR breastfeeded the Eastern Europe for a few decades…

https://balkaninsight.com/2022/02/07/romania-wants-new-talks...

Also For example, the Soviet Union forced Eastern European countries to sell their natural resources, such as coal, timber, and minerals, to the USSR at below-market prices. The Soviet Union also imposed production quotas on these countries, requiring them to produce certain goods and send them to the USSR. The Soviet Union often used military force to maintain control over Eastern Europe and ensure compliance with these economic policies.

Additionally, the Soviet Union controlled the banking systems and foreign trade of Eastern European countries, making it difficult for them to trade with other countries and develop their own economies. The Soviet Union also used Eastern Europe as a market for its own goods, flooding these countries with cheap Soviet-made products that undercut local industries and businesses.

Re: Russians Seem Interested in My Book About How Dictatorships End

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Post by thriftwy »

simion314 wrote: post #99
thriftwy wrote: post #98

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'm not sure who stole your shit because I've never seen it around here, so it must have landed somewhere else - maybe you should go look elsewhere. When you talk about "crimes", I don't feel that you've even began to understand what a Communist regime can do to a country. Read about Collectivization one day, or about Solovki camps. We did not share anything, the USSR breastfeeded the Eastern Europe for a few decades…

https://balkaninsight.com/2022/02/07/romania-wants-new-talks... Also For example, the Soviet Union forced Eastern European countries to sell their natural resources, such as coal, timber, and minerals, to the USSR at below-market prices. The Soviet Union also imposed production quotas on these countries, requiring them to produce certain goods and send them to the USSR. The Soviet Union often used military force to m…

"sent to Moscow for safekeeping during World War I in 1916"

Russian Empire does not exist anymore, orphaned and its own gold being stolen, I would recommend you going to UK and France (allies of Russian Empire at the time) for the compensation.

I pity for your loss, I really do, but given how the Russian Empire has suffered a horrible demise I just do not understand why any money should be taken from my pocked and put into yours in the century XXI.

The rest of your comment does not sound like a description of a horrible crime. Moreover, it does sound like an entitlement.

One of the points, that the Soviet Union also sold oil and gas to Eastern Europe at below market prices. That you chose to withhold that fact highlights the whiny, intellectually disingenous attitude of Eastern Europeans.

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