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Facebook, It's Like Instagram for Birthdays

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Re: Facebook, It's Like Instagram for Birthdays

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A lot of web apps - both the established players and the startups - seem to be in a "sort of, but not really" state. I'm pulling this from a column by Thomas Friedman about Russia ( http://www.nytimes.com/2012/02/05/opinion/sunday/friedman-ru... ) where he says that Russia is "sort of a democracy, but not really". Applied to web apps, Facebook is sort of a way to keep in touch with friends and family, but not really,…

> When you consider the ways in which, say, the introduction of the telephone changed society, Facebook just looks silly.

Or maybe just less elegant. Part of the problem is there's not really an obvious problem to solve. In the case of the telephone it was like: "what if you could talk to someone instantly across hundreds or thousands of miles, without a telegraph operator!". Then they did a lot of hard work to build a network to meet this end goal, which only does one thing with a dead-simple interface, and it changed the world.

With Facebook and Twitter it's a little trickier because what's the universal goal? We already had email, newsgroups, chat rooms, blogs, etc. So the premise is something like: "what if you could broadcast your thoughts and digital content instantly to thousands of friends and followers?". Right away it's sort of a head scratcher. If you think about it you come up with lots of little niches where it's handy, but nothing that strictly couldn't be done before. The secret sauce is that it's engaging and people like using it so you have a powerful network effect. But at the end of the day it becomes a type of noisy commons; It's heaps better than the truly public internet cesspools like YouTube, but it is increasingly inadequate for individual needs.

Re: Facebook, It's Like Instagram for Birthdays

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Very similar to my thoughts. Plus, I have some other experiences to compare to, and FB doesn't come out very well in those comparisons.

Some websites allow you meet new people and to get to know them better over the years. You'd think "social" networks should do that as well, but they aren't. In fact, Facebook sort of works in the opposite way. For the most part, it's a collection of people whom you used to know, but whom you know less and less as the time goes. It doesn't allow for much real communication (which is essential in preserving any kind of meaningful relationships) and it's designed to discourage speaking with "strangers". (Remember all those warnings about not friending people you don't know?)

What irritates me to no end is that there are lots of people who seem to be (socially) incapable of using email, IM or phone to share the same information they share on Facebook.

Re: Facebook, It's Like Instagram for Birthdays

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How did they know about my Facebook usage habits? Is this a thickly veiled privacy article? Though seriously, it's easy to look back in retrospect and summarize webapps like this. It would have been more interesting if they discussed what the future could hold for Facebook. They are in a bit of a "serves no real purpose" limbo for me and I'm sure many other people. I have some fuzzy ideas on where they can take it to become more engrained in everyday real life, but I don't think society is ready for what I have in mind yet...

Re: Facebook, It's Like Instagram for Birthdays

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A lot of web apps - both the established players and the startups - seem to be in a "sort of, but not really" state. I'm pulling this from a column by Thomas Friedman about Russia ( http://www.nytimes.com/2012/02/05/opinion/sunday/friedman-ru... ) where he says that Russia is "sort of a democracy, but not really". Applied to web apps, Facebook is sort of a way to keep in touch with friends and family, but not really,…

> When you consider the ways in which, say, the introduction of the telephone changed society, Facebook just looks silly. Or maybe just less elegant. Part of the problem is there's not really an obvious problem to solve. In the case of the telephone it was like: "what if you could talk to someone instantly across hundreds or thousands of miles, without a telegraph operator !". Then they did a lot of hard work to buil…

"Part of the problem is there's not really an obvious problem to solve."

Isn't that just a nice way of saying that Facebook isn't useful?

I think the interesting take-away from this article is not so much that Facebook has changed the context by adding features that include a larger network of people, but rather that perhaps Facebook is most useful when you use it exclusively with a small network of people with whom you have very real, close relationships. Suppose Facebook had exactly the same features that it has now but was limited to college campuses where connections could be made only with close friends and classmates. Would the experience really be any worse than it was when the functionality was more limited?

When the author was in college and he had just recently joined Facebook (and presumably most people he had ever met were just starting to use it) his network was necessarily small and limited to those people whom he had recently met and socialized with. As the years went by, more and more people joined his network. But few, if any left.

The problem is that that is not an accurate reflection of real-world relationships. Over time people prune relationships, either consciously or subconsciously, but the point is that in the real world, relationships evolve and end, but Facebook doesn't do a great job of evolving with those relationships. Recently I find myself using Twitter more and more to the exclusion of Facebook because on Facebook I get inundated with a mixture of every kind of update, a very small percentage of which I care anything about. I don't de-friend people because that is considered rude and what if I do want to reconnect with that person someday?

With Twitter there are definitely times that I get inundated with annoying tweets, but because I can quickly and easily stop following somebody, it is very simple to maintain my network and keep the information presented to me relevant.

Re: Facebook, It's Like Instagram for Birthdays

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Very similar to my thoughts. Plus, I have some other experiences to compare to, and FB doesn't come out very well in those comparisons. Some websites allow you meet new people and to get to know them better over the years. You'd think "social" networks should do that as well, but they aren't. In fact, Facebook sort of works in the opposite way. For the most part, it's a collection of people whom you used to know, but…

I don't see what you mean by "designed to discourage speaking with 'strangers'", it seems to me that the interest tags that Facebook has implemented and the stream of people it suggests for you to be "friends" with encourages exactly the opposite behaviour. There may be some lip service to online safety, but everything else points to pushing users to expand their networks.

As unintuitive as it seems to me, a sizable minority of people use Facebook as a way to meet others, either for dating (read: hooking up with your friends hot friends), shared interest, or just adding another source to the stream. Perhaps this is what keeps others active on the network? The few who activity seek out new connections keep everyone else just engaged enough to keep posting pictures and a few lines about their life.

Re: Facebook, It's Like Instagram for Birthdays

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Very similar to my thoughts. Plus, I have some other experiences to compare to, and FB doesn't come out very well in those comparisons. Some websites allow you meet new people and to get to know them better over the years. You'd think "social" networks should do that as well, but they aren't. In fact, Facebook sort of works in the opposite way. For the most part, it's a collection of people whom you used to know, but…

I don't see what you mean by "designed to discourage speaking with 'strangers'", it seems to me that the interest tags that Facebook has implemented and the stream of people it suggests for you to be "friends" with encourages exactly the opposite behaviour. There may be some lip service to online safety, but everything else points to pushing users to expand their networks. As unintuitive as it seems to me, a sizable…

There are definitely plenty of examples of exceptions, so you're right on with the sizable minority. People who meet friends of friends, find dates, and talk to people they never would without a social network like facebook. But I have to agree, as much as it's not necessarily designed to obstruct communication with strangers. Its just not how it is used. At least not what I've observed personally.

I love this line, "..For the most part, it's a collection of people whom you used to know, but whom you know less and less as the time goes." Because it's so true, for me. Other than the small subset of people of which I am close to. Everyone else fits this bill for me. People that at one were acquaintances or slightly more, but over time I want less and less to do with these people. I know less and less about them, despite their personal life flooding into my feed. Interesting to me, without facebook, I actually might have more interest in at least a few of their lives. "I wonder what so and so is doing, I should give them a call." With it, I know what they are up to, every day, and I'm not interested at all.

Every so often I find myself jumping into discussion, ranting, or arguing with people I have never met personally. But there is absolutely no incentive for me to go out of my way and randomly message, comment, or talk to anyone I'm not close with via facebook. I will admit that I think facebook has tried in the past to encourage some of this behavior. It's just something that I don't think they've ever been able to pull off.

Re: Facebook, It's Like Instagram for Birthdays

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

> When you consider the ways in which, say, the introduction of the telephone changed society, Facebook just looks silly. Or maybe just less elegant. Part of the problem is there's not really an obvious problem to solve. In the case of the telephone it was like: "what if you could talk to someone instantly across hundreds or thousands of miles, without a telegraph operator !". Then they did a lot of hard work to buil…

"Part of the problem is there's not really an obvious problem to solve." Isn't that just a nice way of saying that Facebook isn't useful? I think the interesting take-away from this article is not so much that Facebook has changed the context by adding features that include a larger network of people, but rather that perhaps Facebook is most useful when you use it exclusively with a small network of people with whom…

I don't disagree with any of the rest of your comment, but:

> Isn't that just a nice way of saying that Facebook isn't useful?

No it's not—along two axes. First, I should have said "it doesn't solve an obvious problem", it solves many small problems of varying degrees of obviousness to different people. Second, it is not a unique solver of these problems.

Facebook is definitely useful, but it's not a home run in the way the telephone was because communication is no longer a technical problem.

Re: Facebook, It's Like Instagram for Birthdays

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*"It was my Birthday a couple of weeks ago. From my 527 friends, I received 52 birthday wishes on Facebook. That’s 10% of my friends — more activity in one day than I saw in an entire year prior. Who are these strangers posting on my wall? I haven’t spoken to some of them in 5 years. What a wonderful treat to hear from them on my birthday." This paragraph pretty much sums up why I deleted my Facebook account - either…

I wish Happy Birthday to people I haven't spoken to in 25 years (apologies for being old). I wish it to people I don't really know (members of a creative collective I belong to). I wish it to any of my friendsters that have birthdays on the day that I happen to visit FB. It's not so random as it sounds, either, I have fewer than 200 FB friendsters. Most people think it's nice to receive birthday wishes, and if you're…

It's a nice sentiment, but sometimes I wonder what is the point as well. I've often thought of deleting facebook for similar reasons. Not necessarily because a flood of emails regarding people of whom I'm not invested in decided to jump on a birthday band wagon. But I think a piece of what he's saying, is why bother. It's just a reminder that the majority of people you've told yourself you're there for(facebook that is), you know to keep up with these peoples lives, aren't really all that important to you. If it takes a flood of copy and pasted "happy bday!" messages from people who don't talk to you on days facebook doesn't tell them exactly what to say..To open peoples eyes to that... so be it.
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