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Re: Google appears to be scaling up the ads it shows to Gmail users

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Part (and I do mean part) of the explanation is that people’s expectations around peer group and lifestyle changes. He’s probabaly looking at Larry Ellison and feeling poor, and that he needs to have (make up a number) $1b in the bank to support his lifestyle (planes, houses, hobbies, philanthropic giving, etc.). I bet if you asked in 2004 (pre-google) what the comparable number was, it was like $20-40m…

What type of lifestyle does $1 billion make available that is not already affordable with $200 million?

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Re: Google appears to be scaling up the ads it shows to Gmail users

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Google is run by MBAs now. This is all they know: how to maximize for next quarter's profits, or profits until their RSUs vest.

Perhaps this is a good thing. Google has gotten too big and to many people rely on it in various ways. If Google cannibalizes itself then noone will need to bother killing it.

So the world can use bing instead? MS is standing right behind Google.

Re: Google appears to be scaling up the ads it shows to Gmail users

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I pay 140 euro per year for Microsoft 365 Business Standard. That includes an Exchange server, 1TB of storage and licenses for Office products. No ads, no data-scraping and I even have business support in case something doesn't work.

Only problem is, now you've got a bunch of Microsoft products on your hands.

Re: Google appears to be scaling up the ads it shows to Gmail users

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If we replace 10% of food with sawdust and people keep buying it, that proves that consumers don't actually want to pay for the real thing and the company that sells it them is doing them a favor.

Yes it would, if that happened. On the other hand, if consumers see that sawdust is one of the top four ingredients in the ingredients list, nobody's going to buy it. So I don't know what your point is, because your hypothetical would never happen. Whereas phasing olive slices out of salads is something that's happened. Or replacing fancy glossy plastic clamshell packaging with cheaper generic recyclable cardboard pa…

My comment is mostly a reference to this video[1].

Replace 'sawdust' with 'cheapest sugar available' and that is something happens all of the time, and is arguably worse, because sawdust doesn't cause addiction, diabetes, heart disease or obesity.

Although a joke, sawdust is listed as 'cellulose' in food ingredients, and it's commonly used in food[2].

[1] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AKDal51f5LU

[2] https://www.npr.org/sections/thesalt/2014/07/10/329767647/fr...

Re: Google appears to be scaling up the ads it shows to Gmail users

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post #159

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Out of curiosity, what does Premium do for you that is a positive? This is an earnest question, as recently my old Android phone died and I got a new iPhone. On Android, I'd just use Newpipe[0] which I absolutely loved; they kept up with Youtube's breaking changes (usually a day-of debug build until the fix reached the main release), and it was such a nice and out of the way music player with everything you could wan…

(not the person you asked) It allows me to pay for a service that I use and I know costs money to run - for a reasonable fee (although it just went up in price and is less reasonable now), given how many hours our family watches per month on YouTube. Creators still get paid from YouTube premium views, and some creators see better revenue from that than from YouTube ads. I like supporting the creators I watch. I refus…

Appreciated, and I'm not immune to the payment situation for Creators and for Youtube itself; my claim isn't that the content should be free or that the Ads are inherently evil, it's about the Youtube app/platform in general.

As a user of a piece of software, it's very difficult to even use the darn thing :) Finding new channels is really tough even when logged in and letting the algorithm work for awhile. So for me it fails to bring me new stuff to check out, it fails as an application in terms of usability and features, and for the few channels I am willing to follow, I'm a lot more comfortable just contributing on Patreon.

That basically leaves Youtube with the server costs, and yeah, that's not something to scoff at and it's not something I expect Alphabet to pony up for.

But for me, the terms and conditions for all that isn't worth paying a subscription to Youtube for; the app barely keeps feature parity with contemporary apps, Youtube itself is pretty poor at getting me new stuff to watch, etc. I'd really rather just go back to smaller, multiple platforms and iTunes like purchasing.

Re: Google appears to be scaling up the ads it shows to Gmail users

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Since you brought up McD's, then how do you explain why they're now rolling out Big Macs with more sauce, not less [1]? Along with a bunch of other improvements like melting cheese rather than sticking it on burgers cold. If nothing else matters than making numbers in a quarter, if companies "only ever cut back on things like product", then how do you explain this example of actual corporate behavior? It's not like M…

That example has no relation at all to the topic. You seem to think that they are mutually exclusive or that "only" (in the part you have quoted) refers to something it does not. Just read what I said again. It is reality, I worked in equity research specializing in consumer products so am reasonably familiar with the space. Consumers just see the product, but the economics are about a lot more. The actual product is…

I read your comment very clearly, and you're speaking in absolutes like "nothing else matters", "only ever cut back on things like product", "no-one tries to start a new mayonnaise company". And these absolutes simply aren't true.

And sure nobody starts a mayo company but Hellman's is absolutely competing in the same product category with relatively newer entrants such as e.g. Amazon Brand, or Whole Foods 365 brand, on top of other long-existing competitors. My example was directly addressing your topic -- perhaps you're the one who needs to read what I said again. Because according to you, it's inexplicable that McD's is improving their Big Mac by adding sauce.

But just because you don't seem to be understanding my point, let me try one more time with another one of your examples:

> If MCD remove sesame seeds from their bun, there is not going to be a new entrant with more seeds.

Popeye's was winning the chicken sandwich wars, so McDonald's launched their McCrispy. Shake Shack was popularizing better-tasting burgers, so McDonald's switched from frozen to fresh made-to-order quarter pounders. Competition is alive and well.

If McDonald's removed sesame seeds from all their buns tomorrow, it would be national news and they would absolutely lose sales as people switched to Burger King which would probably launch a national advertising campaign about how they've still got sesame seeds unlike a certain cheapskate competitor that seems to have forgotten what makes a burger complete.

A lot of our popular consumer products and foods have reached a kind of "steady state" because they're what people like at the right price point and there isn't much innovation to be had on a yearly basis. There isn't a tastier version of Coca-Cola left to be made. But you're interpreting this as "no competition at the margin" which is completely false. The steady state is maintained because of competition. The moment a company cuts quality to deliver something consumers don't want, the competition will eat them alive (remember New Coke?).

And believe me, I've worked at major corporations, not that it matters though. Please don't throw around insults like someone sitting in their bedroom, it's not for HN. But perhaps you have more of an internal corporate view and are missing the broader economic fundamentals here because of that?

Re: Google appears to be scaling up the ads it shows to Gmail users

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Google now seems deep into the enshittification [1] process. Of all the big tech companies, they seemed the most customer-friendly, the least constrained by the need to optimize their money hose. But I guess the economic logic of tying executive compensation to short-term share price simply overwhelmed other considerations. The stock must go up, so revenues must grow, so Google must monetize everything to the maximum…

I was shocked the last time I used Google without an adblocker. The first 4-5 search results were ads. I had to scroll to get to the first actual result. There also seems to be less effort to distinguish ads from regular links.

I wonder which genius adsense manager thought "hey we could double our revenue if we show 4 ads instead of 2, user experience be damned".

Re: Google appears to be scaling up the ads it shows to Gmail users

#208

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Part (and I do mean part) of the explanation is that people’s expectations around peer group and lifestyle changes. He’s probabaly looking at Larry Ellison and feeling poor, and that he needs to have (make up a number) $1b in the bank to support his lifestyle (planes, houses, hobbies, philanthropic giving, etc.). I bet if you asked in 2004 (pre-google) what the comparable number was, it was like $20-40m…

What type of lifestyle does $1 billion make available that is not already affordable with $200 million?

Mega-yachts and associated maintenance, larger private jets and associated maintenance, naming any given building or school etc. in the world after yourself

Re: Google appears to be scaling up the ads it shows to Gmail users

#209

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yes it would, if that happened. On the other hand, if consumers see that sawdust is one of the top four ingredients in the ingredients list, nobody's going to buy it. So I don't know what your point is, because your hypothetical would never happen. Whereas phasing olive slices out of salads is something that's happened. Or replacing fancy glossy plastic clamshell packaging with cheaper generic recyclable cardboard pa…

My comment is mostly a reference to this video[1]. Replace 'sawdust' with 'cheapest sugar available' and that is something happens all of the time, and is arguably worse, because sawdust doesn't cause addiction, diabetes, heart disease or obesity. Although a joke, sawdust is listed as 'cellulose' in food ingredients, and it's commonly used in food[2]. [1] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AKDal51f5LU [2] https://www.np…

You're factually incorrect. Sawdust is not cellulose, and sawdust is not used in food. Cellulose is a purified extract from wood, just like sugar is a purified extract from sugar beets. And shredded/crumbled cheese have long used cellulose for its anti-caking properties. It's not a scam, it's so your cheese doesn't clump.

Re: Google appears to be scaling up the ads it shows to Gmail users

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Google's products do seem to be getting progressively shittier, in profound and confusing ways. take their home assistant, which used to be able to find information online and compose an answer to your natural langauges queries. Now she just says "I don't know, but I found this online..." Google Search seems to be getting truly terrible. Results completely unrelated to what I'm looking for are placing in the first pa…

Google Ads - Their bread and butter product is a mess.

I find Google Search Ads ( excluding partner network ) to be disappointing in recent years. Layers of complexity and reduced effectiveness.

With Google Ads I believe a decline is on the way for the company.

No one breached their moat, they are just screwing it on their own. Making it progressively worse.

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