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I'm never investing in Google's smart home ecosystem again

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Re: I'm never investing in Google's smart home ecosystem again

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One day I fully expect to wake up to find my phone issuing me the warning "Google Fi has been discontinued. Please find an alternative carrier by the end of the month" Or "Google Photos has been replaced by our new service, Google Pixa. Please back up your photos as they cannot be transferred to our new service" It's almost like their project/team structure depends on cannibalisation. I already lost my wedding playli…

Man, don't even say that! I'm seriously worried about Google Photos going away. I'm running Ente in parallel but it just isn't there yet. Especially on iOS.

Re: I'm never investing in Google's smart home ecosystem again

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Prior to replacing my furnace I had a mercury thermostat that was easily over 50 years old. The new one is digital but isn't "smart". I don't expect 50 years, but 20-30 seems reasonable. Somehow software people have forgotten that physical things last a long time, and people want them to keep working and stay the same as long as possible . My thermostat doesn't need "upgrades", and anyone who thinks they are going to…

> The new one is digital but isn't "smart". I do not, nor will I ever use, any "smart" device. "Smart" devices are - unnecessarily complicated - privacy destroying - overpriced - vendor lock-in - often infected with online ads you can't get rid of - likely to stop working if the vendor goes bust, their business model changes, or they just feel like it IMO, it is rarely or never a smart decision to get a "smart" devic…

That is why if you really want one, make it yourself

Re: I'm never investing in Google's smart home ecosystem again

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I feel like this is just one more thing that Google leadership is failing at. I have some similar examples to the ones in the article. I recommended that my brother-in-law get a Google wifi AP some years ago. Recently, I got an email from Google saying that they are no longer supporting it and after a certain date you will no longer be able to make changes to it. WTF?!? My Apple Airport Extreme is older than the Goog…

Prior to replacing my furnace I had a mercury thermostat that was easily over 50 years old. The new one is digital but isn't "smart". I don't expect 50 years, but 20-30 seems reasonable. Somehow software people have forgotten that physical things last a long time, and people want them to keep working and stay the same as long as possible . My thermostat doesn't need "upgrades", and anyone who thinks they are going to…

Software for maintenance devices shouldn't be written so it forces people to use a cloud service unless they can guarantee that will always work. There's about 1000 points of failure in that.

Actually, I'm pretty sure DVDs and music CDs and games only exist because that was their only option. If you look at what the law is and what they're trying to do, you don't own the rights to the game you buy.

If they could forcefully take it back from you and disable the in game radio because their license expired, they would. And they do, when they can. Same with movies you "buy" instead of renting for money. They can and do just change their licensing and remove it from your account.

Game launchers also do this. If you get banned in 1 game, they can just delete your entire account and all linked services because you're not really buying the game.

You're barely even buying a license to use it. You basically have zero rights other than where technology has limited them.

Anyway, that aside, software shouldn't be your only concern. It has all of the visibility right now, but tech hardware should also be up there. Physical life of tech is currently terrible. An unopened, factory sealed electronic left in a store will still die after like 5 to 10 years. Nobody wants to or can feasibly repair it so it's just e-waste. Analog equipment exists for some things with higher tech solutions adding functionality and reducing power in some cases, but I'm curious to see more data about how these truly compare.

I came across this while looking at how to backup data for a long time. I was also curious about the case of analog devices in space. It's been hard to find a lot of info about it.

Re: I'm never investing in Google's smart home ecosystem again

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Google is just shit. As my company briefly decided to look into using them for a cloud provider it quickly became apparent that they are just awful stewards of any software that isn’t related to advertisements. It’s beyond shocking how amateurish GCP is being operated. My assumption is it comes down to really awful leadership. They only care about making and selling new things. You simply can’t trust that any piece o…

That is interesting, I thought GCP might be a good alternative - at least for managed Kubernetes.

GKE at least used to be a bit better, but that’s only worth so much compared to the rest of the services where you’ll frequently find feature gaps where you end up adding a +1 to an issue which has been open for years, and building your own service (yay, more toil). There’s some room for debate on security depending on exactly what features you use and what your needs are but if you use GCP, I’ll just note that Google gave all of your compute instances privileged access to your entire project and you should fix that that immediately if you haven’t already done so.

I’d also note that it used to be fairly comparable on pricing but they’ve been raising prices on some things which I noticed meant a cost savings migrating away.

Re: I'm never investing in Google's smart home ecosystem again

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I moved off of all Google services years ago, when people were taking to Twitter and Hacker News to get support for their randomly banned GMail accounts. At that point it was already clear that Google only cares about maintaining their google/youtube/advertising dominance at all costs, and their other products only exist to confuse competitors. I'd like to run some services on Google Cloud someday, because it looks like they have a nice cloud offering, but I won't touch it because of this.

Re: I'm never investing in Google's smart home ecosystem again

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I feel like this is just one more thing that Google leadership is failing at. I have some similar examples to the ones in the article. I recommended that my brother-in-law get a Google wifi AP some years ago. Recently, I got an email from Google saying that they are no longer supporting it and after a certain date you will no longer be able to make changes to it. WTF?!? My Apple Airport Extreme is older than the Goog…

Prior to replacing my furnace I had a mercury thermostat that was easily over 50 years old. The new one is digital but isn't "smart". I don't expect 50 years, but 20-30 seems reasonable. Somehow software people have forgotten that physical things last a long time, and people want them to keep working and stay the same as long as possible . My thermostat doesn't need "upgrades", and anyone who thinks they are going to…

The one I just replaced was going on the fritz after 25 years (15 years old when I moved into this house, I checked the mfg date). I got another pretty dumb (but programmable) thermostat that isn't wifi anything. So I think you made a good call on 20-30 years.

Re: I'm never investing in Google's smart home ecosystem again

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post #152

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Prior to replacing my furnace I had a mercury thermostat that was easily over 50 years old. The new one is digital but isn't "smart". I don't expect 50 years, but 20-30 seems reasonable. Somehow software people have forgotten that physical things last a long time, and people want them to keep working and stay the same as long as possible . My thermostat doesn't need "upgrades", and anyone who thinks they are going to…

> The new one is digital but isn't "smart". I do not, nor will I ever use, any "smart" device. "Smart" devices are - unnecessarily complicated - privacy destroying - overpriced - vendor lock-in - often infected with online ads you can't get rid of - likely to stop working if the vendor goes bust, their business model changes, or they just feel like it IMO, it is rarely or never a smart decision to get a "smart" devic…

meh they don't have to be privacy destroying. Home automation forums on reddit have some pretty good lists of what to get and ones that are interoperable. I looked into it but I guess I'm just happy with switches and dumb thermostats.

Re: I'm never investing in Google's smart home ecosystem again

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This is just what corporatism is.

Directionless ever shifting Objectives and Key Results (OKR) and forever chasing the New Addressable Market (NAM). There's plenty of believers & folks fighting for causes, but no real overall motivation for long term excellence, for building a future. No vision & no one in charge & no persistence.

Organizations are made of people, and over time and as they shift & scale, they lose direction purpose & caring, they lack the filter & will & cohesion to follow through, to tend to the affairs they set in motion. Sectors of companies rise and fall with the tides.

Google really is one of the saddest cases on the planet today. They arose from the web, from interconnectivity. They had great APIs that allowed new things to be built. And you'd think IoT/smarthome would be a perfect venue to deploy this genetic advantage, to build great apis, to help arise a new backbone of possibility. But Google has gotten worse and worse and worse at opening possibilities. G+ social network never got an API. Google smart home had a meager set of APIs and it's mostly shrunk in capabilities over time (conversely, they did (finally) land some local network apis capabilities a few years back). We're in a sad age, where security & assurability trumps possibility; Google is trying to restrict & clamp down & remove app stores, rather than enable broader possibilities. A scared company is not fun to watch.

Re: I'm never investing in Google's smart home ecosystem again

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I feel like this is just one more thing that Google leadership is failing at. I have some similar examples to the ones in the article. I recommended that my brother-in-law get a Google wifi AP some years ago. Recently, I got an email from Google saying that they are no longer supporting it and after a certain date you will no longer be able to make changes to it. WTF?!? My Apple Airport Extreme is older than the Goog…

It'll be interesting to see if this repeats.

I have a little bit of sympathy for eliminating a 6 year old wifi router, largely because it was built around some Qualcomm chipsets on what was probably at that time a 2+ year old linux kernel. This is Qualcomm's fault. Qualcomm provides awful Board Support Packages with limited shelf life. Qualcomm makes disposable products.

Now, I do think it's awful that Google built thing in such a way that the router is entirely unconfigurable after it runs out of support. That's absurd. But I do pity Google for using one of the only options available to them & it being an absolute awful unsupportable shit show.

It's part Qualcomm & part community, but we are starting to see a lot more work upstreaming Qualcomm drivers. It gives me hope that some of the openwrt routers folks buy today will remain good & usable & secure & reasonably capable, even in 10, 15, even 20 years.

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