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EU sends Apple stark warning over USB-C charging on new iPhones

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Re: EU sends Apple stark warning over USB-C charging on new iPhones

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They reintroduced the non-standard connector because usb-c limits were slowing down the charging time. Its not just a preference thing, its a functionality thing. Macbooks charge faster with magsafe. Magsafe delivers 140 watts compared to 100 watts for usb-c. That difference is not insignificant for people who aren't plugged in all day.

Magsafe 3 uses USB-C on the other end of the cable. It uses the support for up to 240 watts that the USB forum announced a few months before Magsafe 3 was announced.

Huh. Thanks for the lesson

Re: EU sends Apple stark warning over USB-C charging on new iPhones

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Ok, how about at most state levels then? I seriously doubt you could wire up new construction in a completely nonstandard way and then expect to pass inspection.

I'm pretty sore 100% of all US states mandate that all new construction adhere to the National Electrical Code (NEC). Specifically, NFPA 70. They just delegate the authority as to what's "standard" to that non-governmental body. Every few years the National Fire Protection Agency (NFPA)--which is a non-governmental nonprofit--publishes an updated standard and then it's up to all the state legislatures to update the l…

> I'm pretty [sure] 100% of all US states mandate that all new construction adhere to the National Electrical Code (NEC).

There are four states who have not adopted the NEC on a statewide basis, leaving any such decision to the local authorities having jurisdiction: Arizona, Illinois, Mississippi, and Missouri.

Re: EU sends Apple stark warning over USB-C charging on new iPhones

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We had a fkin usb-c with godspeed of data transfer and 120-240W transfer and is universally adopted across different devices and brands and Apple still is using a fkin usb 2 with proprietary connector. There is innovation, Apple decided it's users don't need that to sell them overpriced accessories

Lightning is capable of faster speeds. They just (probably rightly) decided it wasn’t worth the cost to put that in their phones when basically nobody transfers data on their phone using a cable. I believe one iPad had it before they switched to usb-c. Obviously HN readers are the exception.

>basically nobody transfers data on their phone using a cable.

Maybe because it takes an eternity to do so?

Re: EU sends Apple stark warning over USB-C charging on new iPhones

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> The irony is that I believe the Lightning Connector, the iPhone connector, has been the longest standing standard connector (11 years now) Not sure how that's irony, since the connector is proprietary and not an open standard, resulting in e-waste and expensive chargers. Your argument would have more weight if they opened it up. Do you think Apple should have done that?

In what way does it generate more e-waste than any other cable? Unless you switch back and forth between iPhone and Android regularly, you’ll need roughly the same number of cables regardless of the platform.

I need different cables to charge my ipad/mac and iPhone.

I can charge basically all (dozens) of my gadgets using usb-c cable, but I still need to carry additional outdated lightning with me to charge the damn phone.

Re: EU sends Apple stark warning over USB-C charging on new iPhones

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Yes, via building/construction codes.

And we are stuck on AC which is a terrible and wasteful way to move electricity. How much energy is wasted converting AC to DC?

Rectifiers (which convert AC to DC) are quite efficient. Apparently up to 98% [0]

And then there is the voltage conversion, which traditionally happened on the AC side (inexpensive and simple AC transformers are generally why the transmission and distribution systems are AC). Modern power supplies allow for buck/boost on the DC side.

USB-C power supplies are above 90% efficient. [1]

[0] https://eepower.com/new-industry-products/huawei-claims-most... [1] https://www.ti.com/lit/ug/tidudw2c/tidudw2c.pdf?ts=168350042...

Re: EU sends Apple stark warning over USB-C charging on new iPhones

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> USB type A being dropped from MacBooks (iMacs and Minis have always had USB Type A) in favour of USB-C is the port HN loves to moan about. The switch to USB C wasn't the primary issue. The main complaint was that the laptop only had two ports: a 3.5mm headphone jack, and a single USB C for everything else. The previous iteration had 6. People were angry that they were being forced to buy a hub if they fell into the…

There was no previous iteration of that laptop.

Is there some point you're trying to make or are you just being needlessly pedantic?

The 2016 Macbook Air[0] was not the first in the series. The lack of ports was controversial due to it differing from the previous 2015 model[1].

[0] https://support.apple.com/kb/SP741?locale=en_US

[1] https://support.apple.com/kb/SP714?locale=en_US

Re: EU sends Apple stark warning over USB-C charging on new iPhones

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I don't think this is in any way authoritarian, no one's personal freedom is at stake here. The regulation is for hardware companies, not you. There is no "unfair advantage" to USB-C patent holders, it's a standard that the industry settled on in a cooperative fashion in which Apple was itself a major player. No one prevented the industry from working on a "patent-free" different standard. Point is, you can't and sho…

It never crossed your mind that there may be a reason that Apple does not want to use the USB-C standard for all its disadvantages over the lightning connector that they have now had for 11 years. Apple has had two types of plugs over 20 years now. Can you say that about Nokia? Samsung? Etc?

Why would I care?

USB-C is perfectly good for the moment in time we live in.

Imagine if goddamn power plugs in your wall were starting to be different because some company thinks a different format is better.

Or if they started to pull some "you can only charge your car with this very specific type of connector, but not others" and cars are much more impacted and sensitive by arguments like yours.

Re: EU sends Apple stark warning over USB-C charging on new iPhones

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I feel this argument is like saying there's no point in developing free and open software because there are already other pieces of software that were adopted, and are de facto standard. In my opinion, this actually promotes the development of technology to be shared for the benefit of everyone, not just to help with vendor lock-in.

If you are talking of MS Office... I am afraid that yes, the various free/open alternatives (especially to Word) were a wasted effort (of course, it could be that MS made their products more affordable in part because they were worried by the possibility that Open Office etc. could become "good enough" to make people switch, but honestly, this March I got a perfectly legal copy of Office for Mac for less than 75 USD.…

LibreOffice and other free and open source alternatives to Microsoft Office are definitely not a "wasted effort". LibreOffice is able to handle just about all of the home and small business use cases of Microsoft Office, and many people are able to skip buying Microsoft Office licenses because this free alternative is available to them. Also, Microsoft Office still does not support Linux outside its feature-limited web app edition, while LibreOffice does.

Re: EU sends Apple stark warning over USB-C charging on new iPhones

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This was exactly the phone charging situation before the EU made a similar proposal[0]. Previously every phone brand and model used a bespoke charger so that you were forced to buy a spare charger from the vendor. Of course Apple continued to do its own thing by skirting the intent of the law. [0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Common_external_power_supply

That hasn't been true in quite a while, the market has unified around two standards (lightning and usb-c) without EU's intervention. Their previous recommendation from 2010 was for micro-usb and it was toothless as it wasn't a mandate. The current authoritarian power play for pushing usb-c on Apple is completely unwarranted by the market conditions. It's pure politics.

My electric razor uses a different cable connector to charge, my battery charger, my bicycle lamps (two different brands) ... All purchased in the last 5 years. The EU regulation isn't just about mobile phones.
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