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EU sends Apple stark warning over USB-C charging on new iPhones

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Re: EU sends Apple stark warning over USB-C charging on new iPhones

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Post by Moldoteck »

dbg31415 wrote: post #453
Moldoteck wrote: post #411

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Apple can include both usbc and that superior port and let people choose))) truth is usbc is already superior, it has been for years and I don't really understand frp what you'll need in a phone a port that should do more than 240w of energy transfer and ~40gbs of data transfer. And at last, the eu law can be adapted if industry agrees to a new port...

Talking a year from now. Or 5. How does anyone advance? People will stop trying, USB-C is just the mandate. Why spend money building alternatives? It’s adding a barrier to tech that shouldn’t be there.

This law basically targets Apple for not using type c, but it doesn't say it directly. All brands, including apple invested in type c and they got a good port but didn't use it. People will continue innovation just like before because law allows revising the standard so that all brands just like before will will choose the next standard. But imo there is no need for another standard for phones. I don't know if there is a phone that uses all potential of current usbc (240w and 40gbs) and it's not like port can't handle more...

Re: EU sends Apple stark warning over USB-C charging on new iPhones

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Post by xeyownt »

eastbound wrote: post #462
seanmcdirmid wrote: post #396

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Connectors are dying anyways. I rarely plug my iPhone in to anything, since I’ve moved to wireless charging. I wouldn’t be surprised if an iPhone is released eventually with no port at all.

Wireless charging loses 30% of the energy. It looks bad on the carbon sheets of the products, and Europe is also moving towards regulating carbon a lot.

i doubt that wireless charging makes any difference on carbon footprint.

Re: EU sends Apple stark warning over USB-C charging on new iPhones

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Post by Rucadi »

crote wrote: post #220
taf2 wrote: post #118

What happens when there is a better USB-C plug - isn't there a concern that locking into the current standard means in 50 years the EU is still stuck. I imagine we're in uncharted territory given in less then my lifetime USB was invented and has gone through at least 14 iterations e.g. it's been changing very fast. Unfortunately I fear even asking this question probably angers some, but I think it's an interesting qu…

The law explicitly states that it has to be reviewed every couple of years to determine whether USB-C it is still the best choice, or there has been sufficient technological progress to warrant a switch to a newer standard. The fear for a "lock-in" is completely unfounded, as the EU previously quasi-mandated Micro USB and switching to USB-C was no issue whatsoever. Besides, nothing is stopping manufacturers from incl…

"The law explicitly states that it has to be reviewed every couple of years to determine whether USB-C it is still the best choice"

How a better alternative will created if you can't put it on any device to make it popular.

Re: EU sends Apple stark warning over USB-C charging on new iPhones

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Post by Longhanks »

mmmmmbop wrote: post #231
meindnoch wrote: post #180

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How about you simply buying something else instead of an iPhone?

Since this will be required by the DMA as mentioned in another comment, the more accurate phrasing would be "How about Apple simply not selling their phones in the EU (if they don't like it)?" Just like nobody's forcing a consumer to buy an iPhone if they don't like it, nobody's forcing Apple to do business in the EU.

God, sometimes I really wish they would do just that. Just a week ago, Germany launched a public transport ticket that can only be acquired via an app. Imagine the outrage if suddenly every iOS owner could not use that service (paid with tax money of course) that entirely depends on US software services because the companies decided the EU bullying is just enough for now (just like Google did with China).

If the EU wants to "boss around" like they do in this headline, maybe it should ensure having actual EU businesses capable of competing with US ones. But more regulation will surely do it, I’m sure, this time.

Re: EU sends Apple stark warning over USB-C charging on new iPhones

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Post by dghlsakjg »

NickBusey wrote: post #619
hef19898 wrote: post #488

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And now think about all the normed parts you encounter everyday: screws, material, plugs, tools, fuel... All of those stabdards have been enforced at one time. Including adminiszartive commitees, staffed mostly by industry (!), to revise them and keep them updated. Edit: One can make the case about the roman empire, and some really old civilization in India I am too lazy to look up, building quite impressive empires…

Citation needed for the claim that governments enforce standards for screws. Maybe in the stuff they buy, but that’s not the same thing.

Agreed.

One visit to an industrial fastener store will let you know that there is no such thing as a standard screw/bolt. Even metric Mx machine screws (which are the closest thing I can think of to a standard) have 4 different common pitches, and you can have them custom made to ANY pitch.

Re: EU sends Apple stark warning over USB-C charging on new iPhones

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Post by nixass »

plandis wrote: post #635
stale2002 wrote: post #622

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> But some kind of "warning" to "do something we didn't say in the law" is just plain wrong. No. Acting in bad faith is what is wrong. If Apple doesn't like it, then they can shut down their business in the EU. Companies acting in bad faith should be explicitly punished, to an extra degree, that is intentionally designed to hurt them. We have this right, to use laws, in a society, to punish bad faith actors. If you d…

> No. Acting in bad faith is what is wrong. Do you have explicit evidence that Apple is acting in bad faith or are we merely inferring this?

Have you even read the article? It's right there, second paragraph

Re: EU sends Apple stark warning over USB-C charging on new iPhones

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Post by Moldoteck »

nickpp wrote: post #455
Moldoteck wrote: post #382

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Wtf are you smoking? You can add other ports, the law is about mandating usb-c. If you want thunderlightening port or anything you want besides usbc, like HEADPHONE JACK, you can doo this...

How many phones have you seen with multiple different ports for the exact same purpose: charging?

I can name a few but why does this matter. The point is Apple can work around this for eu market if they want but at the end consumers will win anyway

Re: EU sends Apple stark warning over USB-C charging on new iPhones

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Post by Longhanks »

plandis wrote: post #640
bmicraft wrote: post #412

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In Europe the intent of the law can after a whole lot more

If your legal system relies on reading the minds of lawmakers to infer their intent then your legal system is effectively arbitrary since those lawmakers can claim they intended anything.

Welcome to the EU, a legal system where nobody effectively elects anything and any major decisions are made without any democratic element whatsoever.

Their attempt to ratify their behavior went so badly (in France and the Netherlands where actual popular votes were collected for an "EU constitution") that they just renamed the thing and did what they want anyway.

Re: EU sends Apple stark warning over USB-C charging on new iPhones

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Post by anigbrowl »

throwaway50606 wrote: post #165
mrtksn wrote: post #150

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EU laws don't expand beyond EU. EU consist about 5% of the population, 95% can have whatever they like. Yes, there's Brussels effect but that effect work when the trouble of designing or producing something else is not worth it. Also, you are not banned from engineering other solutions. The police isn't going to knock on the doors of engineers who are suspected to develop better charging cables :)

EU is the second largest market in the world. Of course everything is going to be made in a way that's sellable in the EU. > Also, you are not banned from engineering other solutions. The police isn't going to knock on the doors of engineers who are suspected to develop better charging cables :) We are discussing under an article where the regulator has sent a "stern warning" to a company. I don't think what you're s…

No they wouldn't, because you are not a giant corporation like Apple. Stop assuming your scrappy little startup and a trillion-$ corporation with massive market share have similar interests, this is like an ant worrying about a fence designed to block elephants.

In reality if you come up with some kind of better plug, you will sell to a specialist market that would recognize the benefits (dentists or musicians for example) and then expand into other markets. You could try selling direct to consumers but guess what, nobody would buy it unless it had connectivity with other devices, and manufacturers wouldn't go out of their way to adopt it unless it delivered overwhelming advantages at low additional cost.

Re: EU sends Apple stark warning over USB-C charging on new iPhones

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Post by Multicomp »

themaninthedark wrote: post #571
riskable wrote: post #473

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I'm pretty sore 100% of all US states mandate that all new construction adhere to the National Electrical Code (NEC). Specifically, NFPA 70. They just delegate the authority as to what's "standard" to that non-governmental body. Every few years the National Fire Protection Agency (NFPA)--which is a non-governmental nonprofit--publishes an updated standard and then it's up to all the state legislatures to update the l…

Part of the Georgia problem is that our laws are the same way! The legislators would vote to adopt case law that had added notes/ guidance by a third party, the third party would change fees to view what is then now the law!

https://www.abajournal.com/news/article/after-supreme-court-...

The Supreme Court in 2020 ruled that OGCA is not copyrightable, this in 2022 indicates that it has been made available to the public for free.

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