Walkout at global science journal over ‘unethical’ fees

Post by ModernMech » Sun, May 07, 2023, 6:08 PM UTC

froh wrote: post #167

anonymouskimmer wrote: post #158

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I wonder how much of the journal bureaucracy, such as peer-review, actually adds value. Do we really need vetted journals? Are pre-print upload sites with the ability to comment good enough?

if only the reviewers were paid I'd understand the question in the context of price gauging. however the journal does _not_ pay the reviewers. the question how to best organize academic peer review is independent from the price gauging.

Post by was_a_dev » Sun, May 07, 2023, 6:16 PM UTC

tastyfreeze wrote: post #178

fast_neutron wrote: post #123

Elsevier is far from the only offender in the academic publishing space. This price gouging is rampant, and it affects everyone you could call a "customer." The only variable is who gets stuck with the bill. When I was in grad school, I easily went through 1000+ articles via my institution's library, most of which were dead ends. My school even had to drop the subscription of a journal I was actively using because th…

What I read in this is that sci-hub is only a third of the solution of cutting out the middle man. The another third is a credible place for researchers to publish to. The current publishers are trying to retain a dead model. We don't really need a publisher anymore. What they do provide that I haven't seed a good solution for is visibility among peers. Sci-hub is great to grab a paper when you already know the DOI.…

Post by ModernMech » Sun, May 07, 2023, 6:26 PM UTC

psychomugs wrote: post #184

ModernMech wrote: post #156

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This doesn't even make sense looking at national politics, which are far more vicious and the stakes are much higher.

Of course national politics would be represented by the media as vicious and high-stakes: the media needs vicious and high-stakes messages to keep up viewership as its lifeline. Not even academics are interested in academic politics beyond their own immediate purview of the next publication or deadline.

Post by akjssdk » Sun, May 07, 2023, 6:56 PM UTC

baidifnaoxi wrote: post #146

Honestly if even $1 of public money goes toward research, the work, data, journal, etc should all be public domain. End of story. That should be a basic requirement of taking public funds.

Post by hgsgm » Sun, May 07, 2023, 7:01 PM UTC

suddenclarity wrote: post #133

boppo1 wrote: post #129

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>WEF plays the conspiracy angle What, you're saying that's intentional? What's the WEF business model, anyway?

It's funded by its members. So they basically pay to meet and promote their business to invited leaders and politicians. I guess you can make an argument that the more exclusive and mythical you can make it, the more likely are businesses to pay to participate.