EU sends Apple stark warning over USB-C charging on new iPhones

Post by revelio » Sun, May 07, 2023, 5:58 PM UTC

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They're using that word not because they disagree, but because it's an accurate description of what the EU is becoming. Communist states centrally plan the economy. Everything is specified by government committees down to tiny details like the production levels of individual factories, what they produce, how, and what does or does not get researched. The EU has developed a penchant for micromanaging the details of pr…

Thank you for your response, I appreciate the time and perspective; I stand by my observation though: None of what you listed I see as a defining feature of Communism. It feels like some people have heard that "Communism is a bad thing that Russians did", and then they apply it to anything and everything they disagree with or may have centrally-planned authoritarian approaches. "Centrally planned undemocratic / autho…

Post by wallaBBB » Sun, May 07, 2023, 5:59 PM UTC

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I believe we have found the economist. What's the electrical failure rate of every appliance in your home, and the associated risk of death by electrocution? If you don't know offhand, it might be that you are implicitly relying on UL standards to keep you safe and whole. Consumers don't have perfect information, so the risk is asymmetric. If you assume the market will sort out risk and quality so we don't need stand…

Many responses to my comment made the same argument, so I’ll just reply here. What do you see as the main safety differences between Lightning and USB-C? As both systems have been in use at scale for some time now, this should be easy enough to answer quantitatively. My understanding is that they offer equivalent safety, in spite of Lightning not having been standardized by the EU, but I may be wrong.

Post by crazygringo » Sun, May 07, 2023, 6:00 PM UTC

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This is simply not true. Laws can be written exceptionally clearly, and very often are. And the "spirit of the law" is a fallacy, which your sentence exposes when you write: > "the legislator is trying to accomplish" Because yes, there is absolutely intent with a single legislator. But there is no such thing as intent or spirit for a legislature (or committee). A legislature can pass a law, say 51 to 49, where every…

> Again, the "spirit of the law" is a fallacy. It's an illusion people would like to believe, but it doesn't exist. You might want to tell that to multiple judges who rule daily on the spirit of the law. TBH, I don't think that you know how the law works better than judges and magistrates do. You know what a loophole is, right?

Post by adhesive_wombat » Sun, May 07, 2023, 6:02 PM UTC

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But if the whole world adopted this kind of regulatory stance, there would be much less incentive to invent that better cable because you now have huge regulatory bodies that may block its adoption and thus mean most of that work was money and time wasted. This kind of thing may tilt the risk / reward of research towards the riskier end of the spectrum. I’m not saying it’s a bad thing— just that it’s not without cons…

> But if the whole world adopted this kind of regulatory stance, there would be much less incentive to invent that better cable because you now have huge regulatory bodies that may block its adoption and thus mean most of that work was money and time wasted. Actually, the only incentive left is to make significantly better cables; the incentive to make marginal "improvements" in order to achieve vendor lock-in is rem…

Post by throwaway049 » Sun, May 07, 2023, 6:02 PM UTC

wskinner wrote: post #585

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I believe we have found the economist. What's the electrical failure rate of every appliance in your home, and the associated risk of death by electrocution? If you don't know offhand, it might be that you are implicitly relying on UL standards to keep you safe and whole. Consumers don't have perfect information, so the risk is asymmetric. If you assume the market will sort out risk and quality so we don't need stand…

Many responses to my comment made the same argument, so I’ll just reply here. What do you see as the main safety differences between Lightning and USB-C? As both systems have been in use at scale for some time now, this should be easy enough to answer quantitatively. My understanding is that they offer equivalent safety, in spite of Lightning not having been standardized by the EU, but I may be wrong.