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Re: EU sends Apple stark warning over USB-C charging on new iPhones

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Post by soneil »

hn92726819 wrote: post #372
lttlrck wrote: post #360

Do you think Apple intended to stick with Lightning forever? They were just taking their own sweet time. The fact that their other products switched a couple of years ago should make this obvious. Of course the EU will crow when the next iPhone has USB-C worldwide. I doubt this has had a significant impact on Apples internal planning. If any. It seems to me this will be more significant post USB-C and it's much more…

> do you think Apple intended to stick with Lightning forever? What?? Of course they did. Why do you think they are even considering USBC? Apple has zero incentive to use a common cable format; I'm sure they rake in money with their proprietary apple-only connectors. Look at magsafe. Changed it twice so everyone had to get a whole new set of chargers. Sure, they changed it to C now, but I'm guessing that's just becau…

There's rumours Apple made a 10-year commitment to lightning, which wouldn't be at all unusual - especially giving all the moaning when they switched from 30-pin to lightning.

I find it hard to believe that cables are a core part of their business. It just gets thrown out every chance it gets. They put usb-c on their laptops, everyone said it was to sell dongles. They didn't put usb-c on the phones, everyone said it was to sell dongles.

All reminds me of people saying what a huge mistake it was that the original imac didn't have a serial port or a floppy drive.

Re: EU sends Apple stark warning over USB-C charging on new iPhones

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Post by VonGallifrey »

nickpp wrote: post #438
VonGallifrey wrote: post #201

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I don't want to jump out of a plane therefore I want to outlaw skydiving. Actually I don't have to outlaw things I don't like for myself. I will simply not go skydiving and other people are wellcome to take the risk for themselves. No one is forcing you to load anything you don't want to. You don't need to force your decision onto everyone. There is a difference between "I don't want to load your code" and "I don't w…

If you want to jump out of the plane, please pick a provider that serves skydivers. Do not try to open the door of a regular plane from a normal airline. Moreover, please do not try to make it illegal to have airlines that don't allow opening the door during mid-flight. It makes flying more dangerous for all of us, especially those who don't happen to have a parachute around. No one is forcing you to stop loading wha…

The question is more: Why the fuck do you care if Apple allows sideloading or not. It is a feature you do not have to use and (if Apple implements sideloading) you probably would need to explicitly activate. Just leave the option off, but instead you are here saying the option should not exist for anyone. Those that are reluctant to use it can just ignore it.

WHY?

I should be able to load anything on any phone THAT I OWN. Even if the manufacturer does not want me to. I bought the Phone. I didn't Rent it. I didn't borrow it. IT IS MY PHONE. Why should the manufacturer dictate what I am allowed to do with the phone?

"My Liberty ends where yours starts." is a great Quote in your bio. Is it just there as decoration or do you believe what it means?

Re: EU sends Apple stark warning over USB-C charging on new iPhones

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Post by TheCleric »

revelio wrote: post #434
seanmcdirmid wrote: post #399

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Those laptop also support USB-C charging however, you don’t have to use MagSafe. They brought back MagSafe because customers weren’t satisfied with USB-C charging.

Yes ... exactly ... they reintroduced a non-standard connector because people preferred it to the standard one. See the problem?

And if they weren't stingy with the patent, it could become the standard if everyone else agreed as well. And I say this as someone who prefers magsafe over usb-c.

Re: EU sends Apple stark warning over USB-C charging on new iPhones

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Post by falcolas »

dwighttk wrote: post #127

Who cares? I haven’t charged my phone through the port in years.

FWIW, I’m not a huge fan of current wireless charging because of how inefficient the tech is. So much energy is wasted bridging the space between the coils.

The evidence? The heat generated by the coils, which you can easily feel, especially with the higher wattage chargers.

To me, that waste matters, since it’s something so easily eliminated with very little effort.

Re: EU sends Apple stark warning over USB-C charging on new iPhones

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Post by trollied »

WanderPanda wrote: post #333
manuel_w wrote: post #8

The EU stance and strictness on this is one of the things making me happy to be an EU citizen.

For me it’s the opposite, it ashames me to be an EU citizen. The problem with the EU is that it forces this kind of stuff on everyone instead of letting countries compete for the best policies. There is little/no feedback control hence it will drift down the usual decline of increasingly authoritarian systems. It‘s a shame because of the opportunity costs.

You must be young & not remember the huge mess that charging was in the early 2000s. Every single brand had a proprietary charging port/connector - same with their data connectors. These days it’s bliss in comparison. They more often than not were also hard wired into the electrical plug, making matters even worse (and power bricks weren’t solid state, they were cooper transformers, which were heavy!).

Re: EU sends Apple stark warning over USB-C charging on new iPhones

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Post by seanmcdirmid »

falcolas wrote: post #494
dwighttk wrote: post #127

Who cares? I haven’t charged my phone through the port in years.

FWIW, I’m not a huge fan of current wireless charging because of how inefficient the tech is. So much energy is wasted bridging the space between the coils. The evidence? The heat generated by the coils, which you can easily feel, especially with the higher wattage chargers. To me, that waste matters, since it’s something so easily eliminated with very little effort.

You should try MagSafe. I haven’t felt my phone feel hot once since I changed my charging from a pad to a MagSafe charger. They are also much more efficient, since not much heat is being generated.

Re: EU sends Apple stark warning over USB-C charging on new iPhones

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Post by eropple »

auggierose wrote: post #443
viraptor wrote: post #414

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You'll find the answers to most of your questions here https://ec.europa.eu/docsroom/documents/46755/attachments/3/...

> However, the MoU also allowed for the use of proprietary charging interfaces, and one such solution continued to be used (and still is) by a major mobile phone manufacturer, thus preventing full interoperability. In addition, the MoU never addressed the environmental issues arising from the continued existence of those different charging interfaces and charging communication protocols. So the reasons are: 1. We wan…

> 2. is clearly wrong, as now just all the people already in the Apple ecosystem need to switch their lightning equipment to USB-C equipment, adding tons of waste.

As opposed to now, when I buy twice as many cables on their own wear lifecycles because my phone doesn't connect to the same thing as my Switch or my Laptop?

This is literal FUD.

Re: EU sends Apple stark warning over USB-C charging on new iPhones

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Post by revelio »

mrtksn wrote: post #460
revelio wrote: post #433

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In democracies opinion polls are regarded as important because people's opinions matter. The EU doesn't care about them because the EU is not a democracy. Even if you pretend the distance between voters and decision makers doesn't matter, here's a simple test: did your countries elected official vote for von der Leyen? You don't know the answer because the process by which she was selected is totally opaque by design…

I was in UK when the Brexit referandum was held, it wasn't about EU granting residency rights or anything like it. After UK let EU, nothing was done that couldn't have been done when EU. That's also why UK's public opinion changed. Anyway, you are entitled to believe in alternative facts. You are also entitled to believe that all EU does is regulating USB-C, that's fine. You are also free to believe that EU officials…

I haven't claimed anywhere that all the EU does is regulating USB-C, why do you think that? I gave several other examples of micromanagement.

> You are also free to believe that EU officials do things that no one cares or wants and keep getting elected.

The EU officials who create regulations are the Commissioners, who are not elected. That isn't an alternative fact, it's just a fact. I continue to be amazed at how EU supporters keep pretending this isn't the case. Can't tell if it's ignorance about their own political system or just too embarrassing to admit.

Re: EU sends Apple stark warning over USB-C charging on new iPhones

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Post by ninkendo »

least wrote: post #258
JeremyNT wrote: post #226

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Is this something that happens often for iPhones? I've never seen anything like it with USBC in my non-Apple household. Perhaps the "benefit" you describe is only relevant because the proprietary Apple cable design is so poor?

> Perhaps the "benefit" you describe is only relevant because the proprietary Apple cable design is so poor? No, the lightning connector's design is actually less prone to snapping than USB type c. Whether or not that it is an advantage is subjective, given that cables are inexpensive and the devices they're attached to generally are not. In my opinion lightning is a vastly superior connector to USB-C. It's easier to…

Worth noting that Lightning is also limited to USB 2.0 speeds (480 mbps), as it does not have enough pins to do USB 3 while still being bidirectional.

Re: EU sends Apple stark warning over USB-C charging on new iPhones

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Post by Auracle »

viraptor wrote: post #423
revelio wrote: post #379

Earlier quoted context omitted.

In other words the regulatory bodies decide. They might, if they feel like it, ask some people who actually know something in the process of making that decision, but that doesn't mean they'll listen or care. Why are you denying this basic reality?

If you have a jaded view of the EU out to get you by (checking notes) ignoring the directive and not consulting with the experts so that they can force you to use a specific connector even when better options get created... Sure, I don't think we see the same reality.

First the bureaucrats would need to care. That’s a pretty big hump - people don’t like change. Instead of people going “yay, we’ll all finally be on the same connector” you’re going to have people going “no, I already have all of these cables and USB-C is good enough!”

You’ll also need the various players on the other side to invest in development for something new with absolutely no guarantee that the EU will approve it. Honestly, if they wanted to mandate this they should have at least just said it’s in effect for ___ number of years and no longer.

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