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EU sends Apple stark warning over USB-C charging on new iPhones

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Re: EU sends Apple stark warning over USB-C charging on new iPhones

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Post by lelanthran »

taf2 wrote: post #118

What happens when there is a better USB-C plug - isn't there a concern that locking into the current standard means in 50 years the EU is still stuck. I imagine we're in uncharted territory given in less then my lifetime USB was invented and has gone through at least 14 iterations e.g. it's been changing very fast. Unfortunately I fear even asking this question probably angers some, but I think it's an interesting qu…

> What happens when there is a better USB-C plug - isn't there a concern that locking into the current standard means in 50 years the EU is still stuck.

The regulations take this into account.

Re: EU sends Apple stark warning over USB-C charging on new iPhones

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Post by lttlrck »

madsbuch wrote: post #393
lttlrck wrote: post #377

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Depends if you believe in letting the market decide, or not.

there is no market without regulation. in the old days, the government ensured that the physically strong people would not get the best deals because they could force you to give up your product. This appears to be the modern day equivalent.

Regulations should level the playing field, per your example.

This doesn't do anything like that.

Re: EU sends Apple stark warning over USB-C charging on new iPhones

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Post by viraptor »

revelio wrote: post #379
viraptor wrote: post #373

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If only there was a specific document which talks about the consolations with industry experts to ensure future developments update the requirements... (There may be a more recent version of that doc available) https://ec.europa.eu/docsroom/documents/46755/attachments/3/...

In other words the regulatory bodies decide. They might, if they feel like it, ask some people who actually know something in the process of making that decision, but that doesn't mean they'll listen or care. Why are you denying this basic reality?

If you have a jaded view of the EU out to get you by (checking notes) ignoring the directive and not consulting with the experts so that they can force you to use a specific connector even when better options get created... Sure, I don't think we see the same reality.

Re: EU sends Apple stark warning over USB-C charging on new iPhones

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Post by episteme »

ajmurmann wrote: post #415

This whole thing is so silly. It also drastically reduces my confidence that I keep reading about "chargers". Nobody needs a separate charger. All that's needed is a cable that has a lightning tip. It doesn't even have to be a dedicated cable, it can be one with interchangeable tips or a separate adapter. If anyone is really concerned about wasteful production of chargers then ban selling chargers and maybe even cabl…

I suppose the difference is that Apple don't have the monopoly on your charger?

Re: EU sends Apple stark warning over USB-C charging on new iPhones

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Post by worrycue »

croes wrote: post #223
taf2 wrote: post #118

What happens when there is a better USB-C plug - isn't there a concern that locking into the current standard means in 50 years the EU is still stuck. I imagine we're in uncharted territory given in less then my lifetime USB was invented and has gone through at least 14 iterations e.g. it's been changing very fast. Unfortunately I fear even asking this question probably angers some, but I think it's an interesting qu…

Because you can't have different ports on a smartphone? You aren't forced to use only USB-C but to provide at least USB-C without artificial disadvantages. Without those standards the users are stuck or need to rebuy all accessories.

> Because you can't have different ports on a smartphone?

You expect a space constrained device like a smartphone to have multiple ports?

Re: EU sends Apple stark warning over USB-C charging on new iPhones

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Post by vel0city »

detourdog wrote: post #244
croes wrote: post #223

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Because you can't have different ports on a smartphone? You aren't forced to use only USB-C but to provide at least USB-C without artificial disadvantages. Without those standards the users are stuck or need to rebuy all accessories.

The lightning cable has whatever you want on the other end. The only thing needed is a cable. I only want 1 port on my phone. I don't really care what that port is. I'm very uncomfortable with government mandated ports.

> The lightning cable has whatever you want on the other end.

The lightning cable has whatever Apple wants on the other end.

Re: EU sends Apple stark warning over USB-C charging on new iPhones

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Post by detourdog »

croes wrote: post #355
detourdog wrote: post #244

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The lightning cable has whatever you want on the other end. The only thing needed is a cable. I only want 1 port on my phone. I don't really care what that port is. I'm very uncomfortable with government mandated ports.

Isn't the same true for USB-C? Apple just blocks to lock you in their ecosystem. Can I use a USB stick over lighting port? Last time I tried it was quite a hussle.

Or Apple provided a small, uni-oriented, high-speed interface when none existed. They were raked over the coals for dropping the 30 pin connector and promised to wait a long time before switching. Meanwhile USB-C was developed and the EU decided to interfere. What I wish is we stopped developing at parallel interfaces.

Re: EU sends Apple stark warning over USB-C charging on new iPhones

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Post by throwaway2990 »

crote wrote: post #297
throwaway2990 wrote: post #94

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USB-C is so frustrating. I have different cables to charge headphones, keyboard, switch, iPad. Cos they don’t “just work”. And I’ve had more lightening cables break in the last 2 years than I have had lightening cables in the last 7 years.

For low-speed (USB 2.0) devices, there are exactly three cables. One supports up to 60W, one supports up to 100W, and one supports up to 100W. Considering all the devices you listed need less than 60W, they should charge with all cables. If they do not, the manufacturer gave you a broken cable which does not follow the USB-C specification. Blame the manufacturer, not USB-C.

The fact there are different cables is what makes USB-C stupid.

Do you think a mum and dad at home know the difference?

My dad had a USB-C cable for his android tablet. When I got him an iPad he tried using the same cable. It wouldn’t change. That makes the whole point of USB-C pointless

Defending the stupidness of USB-C cables just makes you a fanboy.

Re: EU sends Apple stark warning over USB-C charging on new iPhones

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Post by detourdog »

vel0city wrote: post #427
detourdog wrote: post #244

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The lightning cable has whatever you want on the other end. The only thing needed is a cable. I only want 1 port on my phone. I don't really care what that port is. I'm very uncomfortable with government mandated ports.

> The lightning cable has whatever you want on the other end. The lightning cable has whatever Apple wants on the other end.

So far so good for me. Please share what you need on the end of a lightening cable that can't be found.
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