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EU sends Apple stark warning over USB-C charging on new iPhones

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Re: EU sends Apple stark warning over USB-C charging on new iPhones

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Post by Moldoteck »

dbg31415 wrote: post #313

Terrifying to give government this much control over tech. If Apple wants to build a premium experience that is better than USB-C then what? They can’t? We essentially gave W3C control over web accessibly and they can’t even release a new set of WCAG standards. Stalled and seems to be dead in committee. Keep in mind the EU doesn’t even have a standard power outlet. This is just the EU being petty and bullying an Amer…

Apple can include both usbc and that superior port and let people choose))) truth is usbc is already superior, it has been for years and I don't really understand frp what you'll need in a phone a port that should do more than 240w of energy transfer and ~40gbs of data transfer. And at last, the eu law can be adapted if industry agrees to a new port...

Re: EU sends Apple stark warning over USB-C charging on new iPhones

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Post by bmicraft »

crazygringo wrote: post #402

I'm confused. Either Apple is following the letter of the law or it isn't. I don't know what a "warning" from EU Industry Commissioner Thierry Breton is supposed to mean. Either the law says USB-C charging is required but doesn't say anything about charging speeds, or it does say something about charging speeds. In any case, Apple has a lot of lawyers and presumably they're following the law as written . I would assu…

In Europe the intent of the law can after a whole lot more

Re: EU sends Apple stark warning over USB-C charging on new iPhones

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Post by philistine »

Vespasian wrote: post #269
whywhywhywhy wrote: post #106

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>Serious question how long until they drop the port full stop? Probably in 2 years if it allows a loophole where a proprietary $100 charger works better than generic. Their stance on this issue has shown that dongleification design culture has won over user experience design culture within the Apple walls.

If I recall correctly the EU explicitly and intentionally excempted wireless charging from this regulation. The argument was that this technology is not yet mature enough to standardize and should be allowed extra time to develop further. They remarked that in the future additional laws may be introduced if required. This was a clear warning directed at the industry (read Apple) to find a common solution for wireless…

I'm 100% convinced this is why Apple basically gave their Magsafe charging scheme to the Qi consortium. Magsafe and the next Qi standard which uses magnets are intercompatible.

Re: EU sends Apple stark warning over USB-C charging on new iPhones

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Post by viraptor »

auggierose wrote: post #358
viraptor wrote: post #343

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Check the companies involved in any standardised connector/protocol currently used. For example USB implementers forum includes HP, NEC, Microsoft, Intel and... Apple. HDMI forum includes... Apple. NVMe contributors includes... Apple. The times of one company doing their own proprietary thing are close to gone.

In Europe those times are indeed gone now. If that's the natural way of things, why force anyone in the first place? Forcing a company to throw away their battle-tested technology? And all the equipment and cables with it? What kind of a huge bureaucratic fuck-up is this? This is not helping anyone, not the environment, not people. Well, it is helping some bureaucrats to justify their existence.

You'll find the answers to most of your questions here https://ec.europa.eu/docsroom/documents/46755/attachments/3/...

Re: EU sends Apple stark warning over USB-C charging on new iPhones

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Post by ajmurmann »

This whole thing is so silly. It also drastically reduces my confidence that I keep reading about "chargers". Nobody needs a separate charger. All that's needed is a cable that has a lightning tip. It doesn't even have to be a dedicated cable, it can be one with interchangeable tips or a separate adapter. If anyone is really concerned about wasteful production of chargers then ban selling chargers and maybe even cables bundled with devices. I know I have way more actual chargers than I need because they constantly come with new devices, not just phones. What's won by me now getting additional, superfluous USB-C cables instead of additional, superfluous lightning cables?

In the 90s everyone in Europe was upset about the EU regulating bananas curvature. That regulating had been requested by the banana industry as a requirement for a shared market. So it somewhat (I'd still have preferred the market to figure this out itself) made sense. This "Lightning charger" stuff is the true bananas curvature.

Re: EU sends Apple stark warning over USB-C charging on new iPhones

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Post by bcrosby95 »

nozzlegear wrote: post #246
doikor wrote: post #232

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The spying is still be illegal in EU without user consent no matter if it is technically possible or not.

But then for those of us not in the EU, Facebook et al suddenly have access to a plethora of data they didn’t have before via side loading thanks to a European law.

It's not the EU's fault your/our government sucks.

Re: EU sends Apple stark warning over USB-C charging on new iPhones

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Post by truthexposed »

madsbuch wrote: post #393
lttlrck wrote: post #377

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Depends if you believe in letting the market decide, or not.

there is no market without regulation. in the old days, the government ensured that the physically strong people would not get the best deals because they could force you to give up your product. This appears to be the modern day equivalent.

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Re: EU sends Apple stark warning over USB-C charging on new iPhones

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Post by lelanthran »

crazygringo wrote: post #402

I'm confused. Either Apple is following the letter of the law or it isn't. I don't know what a "warning" from EU Industry Commissioner Thierry Breton is supposed to mean. Either the law says USB-C charging is required but doesn't say anything about charging speeds, or it does say something about charging speeds. In any case, Apple has a lot of lawyers and presumably they're following the law as written . I would assu…

> So what exactly is his "warning" about?

Not sure about this particular one, but in general, this sort of warning is along the lines of "If you continue expending effort in subverting the spirit of the law, we shall tighten the regulations to such an extent that it will hurt you".

The world and their dog knew what the goal of the regulations were: if the goal is not met because "Apple has a lot of lawyers and presumably they're following the law as written." you can expect the law to be rewritten in a way that is punitive to Apple.

Re: EU sends Apple stark warning over USB-C charging on new iPhones

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Post by [deleted] »

VonGallifrey wrote: post #201
nickpp wrote: post #167

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Most people do not have "their own code". Instead it is your code you want me and my grandmother to load and I simply do not want to, unless you go through Apple's hurdles to check and verify it.

I don't want to jump out of a plane therefore I want to outlaw skydiving. Actually I don't have to outlaw things I don't like for myself. I will simply not go skydiving and other people are wellcome to take the risk for themselves. No one is forcing you to load anything you don't want to. You don't need to force your decision onto everyone. There is a difference between "I don't want to load your code" and "I don't w…

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Re: EU sends Apple stark warning over USB-C charging on new iPhones

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Post by Moldoteck »

perryizgr8 wrote: post #151

I don't understand the rationale. Does the EU not have a free market where consumers can choose what they pay for? If lightning connector is an important enough issue for someone they can choose not to buy an iPhone. There are n number of alternatives available in the market, unlike the software ecosystem situation.

You know, there is a word, called standard and govs sometimes mandate those standards to help consumers...
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