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#504I've had access in SF for the past few months and have been really impressed! The Waymo rides I've taken have been confident + a bit conservative (e.g. driving at the speed limit when traffic is flowing more quickly), but overall the team's done a great job with the experience. It's free for now so I've been using it regularly during commuting/rush hour and casual drives. Some quick thoughts: Advantages over Uber/Lyf…
How is pricing?
It’s definitely not free, I found rides to be as expensive or more expensive than an Uber/Lyft.
Re: Waymo One doubles service area in Phoenix, continues growing in SF
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It blows my mind that someone living downtown in a city the size of Phoenix (relatively large) needs to use a car at all. It’s really a shameful failure of urban planning.
Is a 20th-century mass transit system actually preferable to robocars once the technology is mature? My guess is it's the cities like Austin, planning new transit systems without designing for synergies with robocars, who are failing at urban planning.
The robocars are only a good idea if they are one seaters. Otherwise they are a waste of road space.
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It's not tangential at all. If the purpose of these sensors is for autonomous driving, and "solving" sensor fusion hasn't gotten you there, how can you possibly say it is a solved problem? Sensor fusion (in this context) is not solved until you are using fused sensors for autonomous driving.
Why are you equating sensor fusion with solving the entirety of autonomous driving? That’s disingenuous. You understand sub problems can be solved, right? Sensor fusion is just combining different sensor inputs so you have high confidence in your object detection and you’re not “confused with disagreements” as Tesla likes to say. Self driving involves solving prediction and planning problems too, not just sensor fusi…
I'm not equating it with solving the entire problem, I am pushing back against the idea that autonomous driving can be sub-divided into completely discrete sub-problems. So I guess you could say no, I do not understand that sub-problems can be solved.
Object detection is inextricably linked with prediction which are both inextricably linked with planning.
Re: Waymo One doubles service area in Phoenix, continues growing in SF
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Why are you equating sensor fusion with solving the entirety of autonomous driving? That’s disingenuous. You understand sub problems can be solved, right? Sensor fusion is just combining different sensor inputs so you have high confidence in your object detection and you’re not “confused with disagreements” as Tesla likes to say. Self driving involves solving prediction and planning problems too, not just sensor fusi…
I'm not equating it with solving the entire problem, I am pushing back against the idea that autonomous driving can be sub-divided into completely discrete sub-problems. So I guess you could say no, I do not understand that sub-problems can be solved. Object detection is inextricably linked with prediction which are both inextricably linked with planning.
Of course, they are linked. It doesn't mean you need to operate worldwide to prove sensor fusion is working. There is no scaling issue with it. Sensor fusion is already proven effective as companies using it are showing excellent safety records where they are operate. The Tesla complaints about "what do you do in case of disagreements?" don't hold good anymore. They just don't want to invest in get it working (but are now forced to as they re-introduce radar in their vehicles).
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#508Earlier quoted context omitted.
It blows my mind that someone living downtown in a city the size of Phoenix (relatively large) needs to use a car at all. It’s really a shameful failure of urban planning.
Phoenix is like LA without the positives
Honestly there's not much to recommend about any Southwestern city (outside of Texas), LA included.
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Which jobs are you thinking? Bus drivers? Taxis? Car production? Which loss of freedom are you referring to? I can’t help thinking that the potential upside will far out-way the cost. London streets are littered with dormant vehicles. Most just sit there taking up room and dominating the city. It would be a whole other city if we could change that dynamic.
Truck drivers mainly. There are LOTS of truck drivers. https://www.npr.org/sections/money/2015/02/05/382664837/map-...
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That sounds like a problem with your city. I've not seen a diesel car or truck belching smoke out here in decades . San Francisco phased out the two stroke diesels in the late 00s, and even those were a lot cleaner than the two strokes of my youth. still do heavy damage to the road surface: rutting and exacerbating potholes. Sure, the wear goes up exponentially with the weight (and axle loading). OTOH you need signif…
This is probably my mistake, they may not be diesel, but there is a lot of sooty exhaust, so they're probably burning oil.
There shouldn't be a lot of sooty exhaust. Well, there doesn't have to be. San Francisco's run diesel-electric hybrids for about fifteen years now and California is far more stringent about diesel emissions than most of the rest of the country. So, sure, it's entirely believable that you're seeing buses belch smoke but it's also mandatory.
Unleaded gasoline will leave a nasty residue on your exhaust but that's about as bad as it (should) get. Alcohol and gas will burn cleaner but come with their own drawbacks. Trolley buses, of course, don't have tailpipe emissions but not everyone is willing to put up with the overhead infrastructure.
And hey, battery EV buses are starting to become a thing too (e.g. SF is trialing ones from a few different manufacturers).