This is definitely not good news for iPhone users. The thing with lightning is that it is fucking robust. USB-C may not be as bad as the micro-USB but it is still more fragile than lightning.
People should be able to choose, if you love One Connector To Rule’em all just get and Android phone.
EU sends Apple stark warning over USB-C charging on new iPhones
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Re: EU sends Apple stark warning over USB-C charging on new iPhones
#222Earlier quoted context omitted.
The regulations get updated, you aren't stuck on usb-c. What EU wants to avoid is Apple giving "unfair" advantages to their own chargers (which could either come from Apple making better chargers or artificially slowing third party ones) defeating the purpose of having less electronic waste.
> The regulations get updated, you aren't stuck on usb-c. Isn't there a chicken and egg problem there - no one will release products with new power interfaces, because they aren't releasable in Europe. I suppose such products might get released first in the US, but which large tech company if going to ignore the EU market when releasing important products?
> Isn't there a chicken and egg problem there - no one will release products with new power interfaces
Yes, that's the point. Instead of anyone releasing products with new power interfaces the goal is to have industry-wide discussion on adopting new standards for everyone.
I think it's reasonable and only a positive thing. If the industry will decide that USB-C isn't enough they will revise the standard.
Re: EU sends Apple stark warning over USB-C charging on new iPhones
#223What happens when there is a better USB-C plug - isn't there a concern that locking into the current standard means in 50 years the EU is still stuck. I imagine we're in uncharted territory given in less then my lifetime USB was invented and has gone through at least 14 iterations e.g. it's been changing very fast. Unfortunately I fear even asking this question probably angers some, but I think it's an interesting qu…
Because you can't have different ports on a smartphone?
You aren't forced to use only USB-C but to provide at least USB-C without artificial disadvantages.
Without those standards the users are stuck or need to rebuy all accessories.
Re: EU sends Apple stark warning over USB-C charging on new iPhones
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Stop with the FUD. I know you have a big imagination but the reality is that I can side load apps on Android, and all the big companies that push me t install their apps are using the official store and I never see random websites showing fake links to banking apps. Guess what apps I have to side load, the apps the Stores do not allow, like Huawei app for my solar panels(iOS users will have to use the website since n…
Android Play store doesn't have the same user protections as iOS Appstore. There is no reason to force sideload on Android because you can already spy on everything the user does with your Playstore apps (why would you even expect anything else from Google? The whole thing is set up for spying). That's not the case on iOS. You're comparing incomparable.
This again FUD. please elaborate with links from this reality of permissions or features that are only on iOS.
Re: EU sends Apple stark warning over USB-C charging on new iPhones
#225This is definitely not good news for iPhone users. The thing with lightning is that it is fucking robust. USB-C may not be as bad as the micro-USB but it is still more fragile than lightning. People should be able to choose, if you love One Connector To Rule’em all just get and Android phone.
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Re: EU sends Apple stark warning over USB-C charging on new iPhones
#226As somebody who last night got an Apple stem out of their daughter's lightning port using a SIM card ejector tool, I'm torn. You can't do that (safely) with USB-C because of the female plug design.
Is this something that happens often for iPhones? I've never seen anything like it with USBC in my non-Apple household.
Perhaps the "benefit" you describe is only relevant because the proprietary Apple cable design is so poor?
Re: EU sends Apple stark warning over USB-C charging on new iPhones
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https://www.macrumors.com/2023/05/04/eu-warns-apple-about-li... Europe actually has some teeth. Playing dumb when Europe tells you "try me" is a sure way to be banned out of the common market. >And there is no way for the EU to appear credible and restrict this. And yet here we are.
> Europe actually has some teeth. Playing dumb when Europe tells you "try me" is a sure way to be banned out of the common market. It all remains to be seen, some EU Joe random hotshot issuing warnings is no more than that, warnings. If any action is to come from the EU side, it’ll be after years and years of legal wrangling and it wouldn’t surprise me one bit if Apples lawyers end up outsmarting some pompous EU coun…
At the end of the day, if Apple needs to have a slightly modified design to accommodate EU regulations, that's a drop in the bucket. And if it's slightly inferior in some way, that's between EU citizens and their governments.
Re: EU sends Apple stark warning over USB-C charging on new iPhones
#228What happens when there is a better USB-C plug - isn't there a concern that locking into the current standard means in 50 years the EU is still stuck. I imagine we're in uncharted territory given in less then my lifetime USB was invented and has gone through at least 14 iterations e.g. it's been changing very fast. Unfortunately I fear even asking this question probably angers some, but I think it's an interesting qu…
The law explicitly states that it has to be reviewed every couple of years to determine whether USB-C it is still the best choice, or there has been sufficient technological progress to warrant a switch to a newer standard. The fear for a "lock-in" is completely unfounded, as the EU previously quasi-mandated Micro USB and switching to USB-C was no issue whatsoever. Besides, nothing is stopping manufacturers from incl…
But if the whole world adopted this kind of regulatory stance, there would be much less incentive to invent that better cable because you now have huge regulatory bodies that may block its adoption and thus mean most of that work was money and time wasted. This kind of thing may tilt the risk / reward of research towards the riskier end of the spectrum.
I’m not saying it’s a bad thing— just that it’s not without consequences.
Re: EU sends Apple stark warning over USB-C charging on new iPhones
#229Apple many many dongles. Adapters to iphones, cable adapters to macbooks, cable adapters to 3.5 inch headphone jack, to hdmi. Too many Apples dongles exception. My dongle collection is larger than yours.
Then you're doing it wrong. I have never bought a dongle in my life, but I _have_ replaced cables with ??? to USB-C variants. - Micro USB to USB-C - HDMI to USB-C - DisplayPort to USB-C - Mini USB to USB-C (that was tough to find!) Literally everything plugs into my laptop natively without a dongle.
Into my laptop, yes. Into the hubs coming off my laptop, no.
Re: EU sends Apple stark warning over USB-C charging on new iPhones
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Can you elaborate?
The general problem with USB-C is that the connectors support multiple different protocols, cables are allowed to not be of sufficient quality for all use-cases (the worst example is probably high-bitrate cases like cables for computer monitors) including high power charging. Similarly, the devices on either end needn’t support all the potential protocols/uses. Furthermore, many USB-C devices that are sold are low qu…
Ehh, I personally thought USB-C was a huge mistake and was glad Apple brought back MagSafe on the new MBPs. The cable is higher quality than USB-C, the charge rate is faster, it’s less likely to knock the computer off a table if someone trips on it, and so on. The whole “we must force everything to be usb-c” obsession is so weird and it’s not always the best standard for every use case.