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EU sends Apple stark warning over USB-C charging on new iPhones
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Re: EU sends Apple stark warning over USB-C charging on new iPhones
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How do you handle situation when you want to use your phone while charging it? Then you need to hold it together with charging pad which must not move otherwise your charging speed will drop significantly, which is synonymous to have it connected to the charger, but with much finicky "connector"
I usually charge phones wirelessly, and since I built the charger into my desk it's easy to pick up the phone, do what I want to do, and put it back down again. There's no friction at all, so unless you want extended use there's no issue. I rarely even think about charging it anymore.
Ok. So you can't use the phone while charging. Cool!
Re: EU sends Apple stark warning over USB-C charging on new iPhones
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The regulations get updated, you aren't stuck on usb-c. What EU wants to avoid is Apple giving "unfair" advantages to their own chargers (which could either come from Apple making better chargers or artificially slowing third party ones) defeating the purpose of having less electronic waste.
> The regulations get updated, you aren't stuck on usb-c. Isn't there a chicken and egg problem there - no one will release products with new power interfaces, because they aren't releasable in Europe. I suppose such products might get released first in the US, but which large tech company if going to ignore the EU market when releasing important products?
They can propose it to the USB Implementers Forum, standardize it as a new USB standard, and pass it to the EU.
Re: EU sends Apple stark warning over USB-C charging on new iPhones
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It's good because until you invent this new cable, we can have everything work with USB-C. Not betting on your ability to come up with a new type of charging cable is not as big deal as you imagining it is. Maybe you should come up with a prototype before demanding all type of charging cables be allowed?
And what do I do with the prototype then? There's nobody buying.
This probably means your invention don't add enough value. Throw it away like all other prototypes who fail to create enough value to warrant a production line.
Re: EU sends Apple stark warning over USB-C charging on new iPhones
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Apple doesn’t use ‘Apple connectors’ on the phone chargers, they are universal USB adapters.
Really? So you mean I can take my Apple lightning cable, plug one end into a charger and the other end into my Android phone? Or my laptop? Or my TV box? Because no, you can't. And that's the whole problem.
Sorry, do I really have to explain the difference between an adapter and a cable? I think that is the problem.
Re: EU sends Apple stark warning over USB-C charging on new iPhones
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And what do I do with the prototype then? There's nobody buying.
This probably means your invention don't add enough value. Throw it away like all other prototypes who fail to create enough value to warrant a production line.
No, it means somebody regulated a single connector type.
Re: EU sends Apple stark warning over USB-C charging on new iPhones
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> What happens when there is a better USB-C plug EU laws are not like physics laws, you can change them. That's why so many people are employed in policy and law making. So if it happens that in the land of cable freedoms they come up with something much better, it would be adopted. At first, those electronics which can accommodate more than 1 type of charging plug will start getting this new plug alongside with USB-…
How do you know how to change the laws if nobody is allowed to try different things (thus innovate)? USB-C didn't come from nowhere, and it wasn't a given that it's better than MicroUSB - first the market tested it, then it became a standard. EU laws have worldwide effects, there's no land of cable freedom anymore.
You're free to try other things. You're just not free to leave out a USB-C plug as long as that is the standard, and you will run into trouble if you try to play stupid games with adding power delivery profiles to your USB-C support that try to circumvent the goal of these regulations of removing device-specific cables or chargers.
If Apple "only" ends up offering a certification mark for USB-C chargers that have been tested with the iPhone and makes that easily accessible, they might well be in the clear. If they try to add power delivery profiles that are unavailable to everyone else, chances are the EU will react.
Re: EU sends Apple stark warning over USB-C charging on new iPhones
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Are we reading the same HN?
Re: EU sends Apple stark warning over USB-C charging on new iPhones
#199Earlier quoted context omitted.
If Apple just sticks to the specification to the letter they achieve exactly what they want and what HackerNews hates, only proper power supplies work and cheap inferior crap charges slowly. They can just put a logo on cables and chargers that work to the specification instead of cutting corners left and right in the race to the bottom. And there is no way for the EU to appear credible and restrict this.
https://www.macrumors.com/2023/05/04/eu-warns-apple-about-li... Europe actually has some teeth. Playing dumb when Europe tells you "try me" is a sure way to be banned out of the common market. >And there is no way for the EU to appear credible and restrict this. And yet here we are.
> Europe actually has some teeth. Playing dumb when Europe tells you "try me" is a sure way to be banned out of the common market.
It all remains to be seen, some EU Joe random hotshot issuing warnings is no more than that, warnings. If any action is to come from the EU side, it’ll be after years and years of legal wrangling and it wouldn’t surprise me one bit if Apples lawyers end up outsmarting some pompous EU councilman.
Re: EU sends Apple stark warning over USB-C charging on new iPhones
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This probably means your invention don't add enough value. Throw it away like all other prototypes who fail to create enough value to warrant a production line.
No, it means somebody regulated a single connector type.
I guess all failed inventors and entrepreneurs have someone to blame.