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Re: EU sends Apple stark warning over USB-C charging on new iPhones

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Post by mrtksn »

throwaway50606 wrote: post #178
mrtksn wrote: post #177

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Can you give me an example of an EU regulation which prevented an European company invent a technology? I'm familiar with the narrative but I don't know any examples.

Gaia-X funneled money to large corporations that used it to market their shitty corporate services and that allowed them to beat actually innovative cloud computing startups.

I'm not familiar with this. Did it happen due to the EU regulation which dictated that Gaia-X have to funnel money to large corporations? Which regulation specifically you are blaming this to?

Re: EU sends Apple stark warning over USB-C charging on new iPhones

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Post by NikolaNovak »

taf2 wrote: post #118

What happens when there is a better USB-C plug - isn't there a concern that locking into the current standard means in 50 years the EU is still stuck. I imagine we're in uncharted territory given in less then my lifetime USB was invented and has gone through at least 14 iterations e.g. it's been changing very fast. Unfortunately I fear even asking this question probably angers some, but I think it's an interesting qu…

I think it's relevant, but I feel there's a good precedent already - didn't europe previously mandate Micro-USB, since like 2010?

Re: EU sends Apple stark warning over USB-C charging on new iPhones

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Post by nickpp »

mrtksn wrote: post #177
nickpp wrote: post #172

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Depending on the rest of the world for tech, research and innovation is why us, Europeans, are worried about these authoritarian EU mandates which can only cause us falling further behind the rest of the world.

Can you give me an example of an EU regulation which prevented an European company invent a technology? I'm familiar with the narrative but I don't know any examples.

By definition, we cannot know the creations and innovations we are missing due to the unintended second-order freezing effects of regulation. This is why we need to be extremely skeptical of regulation and only accept it in truly important and non-trivial cases (unlike a damn charging plug).

There is a clear push from European elites for a halt in progress, aiming to maintain a status quo and preserve their existing advantages. Modern corporation not under their control threaten them. As progressives, it is crucial that we fight to ensure that Europe continues to advance instead of turning into an Amish village and we won't have all to emigrate to the US.

Re: EU sends Apple stark warning over USB-C charging on new iPhones

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Post by throwaway2990 »

saiya-jin wrote: post #133
throwaway2990 wrote: post #94

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USB-C is so frustrating. I have different cables to charge headphones, keyboard, switch, iPad. Cos they don’t “just work”. And I’ve had more lightening cables break in the last 2 years than I have had lightening cables in the last 7 years.

What kind of piece-of-shit cheapest junk cables do you guys buy? Is it another 0.99$ Amazon/aliexpress cable that you expect handles 130W charging while transmitting 10GB/s or similar? I have cca 10 different usbc devices, and use all their provided cables to charge all other accessories. All works as expected, charges fast, transfers fast. The key is to not cheapen out and buy the cheapest crap. Just like with anyth…

The ones that come with the devices. Never bought 3rd party.

Re: EU sends Apple stark warning over USB-C charging on new iPhones

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Post by vidarh »

frankfrankfrank wrote: post #154
epolanski wrote: post #125

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The regulations get updated, you aren't stuck on usb-c. What EU wants to avoid is Apple giving "unfair" advantages to their own chargers (which could either come from Apple making better chargers or artificially slowing third party ones) defeating the purpose of having less electronic waste.

I’m all for some kind of universality, but this authoritarian method does not strike me as a good idea. You lament their concern with fairness, by giving unfair advantages to the USB-C license holders/patent holders? I’m not even sure people understand that Apple also contributed heavily to the development of USB-C along with other companies, some of them European. The irony is that I believe the Lightning Connector,…

The EU tried the soft approach for many years, and Apple stubbornly refused to play. "This authoritarian method" of representing the populations they are meant to represent as part of a democratic society rather than letting companies continue to do what they want came with ample warning.

EDIT: Someone asked about the mandate for it, and deleted, but worth pointing out that the EU parliament supported this with a majority of 602 to 13, so it has support literally from the far left to the far right.

Re: EU sends Apple stark warning over USB-C charging on new iPhones

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Post by throwaway50606 »

mrtksn wrote: post #179
throwaway50606 wrote: post #176

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And that's supposed to be good? I really don't understand this world...

It's good because until you invent this new cable, we can have everything work with USB-C. Not betting on your ability to come up with a new type of charging cable is not as big deal as you imagining it is. Maybe you should come up with a prototype before demanding all type of charging cables be allowed?

And what do I do with the prototype then? There's nobody buying.

Re: EU sends Apple stark warning over USB-C charging on new iPhones

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Post by UncleEntity »

tezza wrote: post #119
rmm wrote: post #97

I just realised I rarely plug a cable into my phone at all these days. Genuinely I think the last time I did was in a hire car that only had cable CarPlay. At my desk I got a wireless charger as well as my bed side. Data is over the cloud now etc Serious question how long until they drop the port full stop? Like what if they achieve serious wireless charging speeds And actually does anyone know if that’s allowed with…

At Glastonbury, the largest line inside is for the free phone charging. People queue for hours, a tragic waste of festival time. Wireless pads would make charging times longer and hence the queues too. Camping / trekking you still want cables for speed of charge

> People queue for hours, a tragic waste of festival time.

Back when I went to such things nobody carried around cellphones and didn’t have any less of an experience.

We even had plans like “if anyone gets separated we’ll all meet up at the beer tent” because nobody wants to get left a couple hours from home because they didn’t pay attention to where the car was parked.

Kids these days…

Re: EU sends Apple stark warning over USB-C charging on new iPhones

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Post by mrtksn »

nickpp wrote: post #183
mrtksn wrote: post #177

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Can you give me an example of an EU regulation which prevented an European company invent a technology? I'm familiar with the narrative but I don't know any examples.

By definition, we cannot know the creations and innovations we are missing due to the unintended second-order freezing effects of regulation. This is why we need to be extremely skeptical of regulation and only accept it in truly important and non-trivial cases (unlike a damn charging plug). There is a clear push from European elites for a halt in progress, aiming to maintain a status quo and preserve their existing…

EU citizens are sceptical of the corporations and their ability to regulate themselves. Different attitudes, the American psyche definitely allows for better innovation and business environment but on the other hand in EU we don't have carcinogens in our bread.

It is O.K. to have two or more different societies, those feeling like they need more freedom for business can go to the US. It definitely makes the US much more competitive but a lot of people like Europe the way it is.

EU is not some company in Belgium, it is made of elected and appointed people from all the EU countries. It's not like EU making up things that members didn't ask for. EU creating a regulation is not like Twitter forcing a new policy over its users.

Re: EU sends Apple stark warning over USB-C charging on new iPhones

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Post by NikolaNovak »

frankfrankfrank wrote: post #154
epolanski wrote: post #125

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The regulations get updated, you aren't stuck on usb-c. What EU wants to avoid is Apple giving "unfair" advantages to their own chargers (which could either come from Apple making better chargers or artificially slowing third party ones) defeating the purpose of having less electronic waste.

I’m all for some kind of universality, but this authoritarian method does not strike me as a good idea. You lament their concern with fairness, by giving unfair advantages to the USB-C license holders/patent holders? I’m not even sure people understand that Apple also contributed heavily to the development of USB-C along with other companies, some of them European. The irony is that I believe the Lightning Connector,…

I have to ask - Do some people just throw the word "Communist" every time they disagree with something? Is this also a "Socialist" standard? Possibly also "woke"? :->

As for longevity, dunno; Micro-USB was around since 2007 and is still in use. Usb a of course is decades strong. And the European preference of Micro-USB does not seem to have prevented other standards. And of course, 3.5mm connector has been around for way way longer (until Apple decided to murder it in cold blood:). There's Ethernet of course. IEEE and various C-series cables?

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