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I'm never investing in Google's smart home ecosystem again

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Re: I'm never investing in Google's smart home ecosystem again

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It is only a matter of time before a class action is filed against Google for reducing the functionality of products they previously sold. The Assistant in Mini speakers I use at home has become amusingly bad: not that it doesn’t understand what I want, but it will often just not execute my orders, despite understanding. For example, it recently ignores my “yes” to its “do you want to know more?” follow up questions.…

More likely people are just going to stop using their products.

Re: I'm never investing in Google's smart home ecosystem again

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While touring the house we eventually bought, my wife spied a Nest on the wall and said, "Oh, that's one thing bitwize is gonna want to rip out." Hooking your home up to the cloud and depending on cloud services for its operation just strikes me as the king of dumb ideas. You've got private, intimate data flowing to who knows where, cloud malfunctions affecting regular home operations (this has already happened at le…

To me, the funny thing is that google could use brand awareness to engender trust. When I buy some new fangled toy, I often look for a trusted name, instead of something made overseas, with an incomprehensible name. But it is almost the opposite. Fly by night names and resellers on amazon, are more stable than google. Some even have far better support! Just bizarre. Someone should tell google that outside of SV, peop…

> But it is almost the opposite

It feels like I only hear this on tech forums. Everyone outside trusts Google and that’s kind of the issue

Re: I'm never investing in Google's smart home ecosystem again

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I recently went and got a couple of Lenovo ThinkSmart View displays off eBay and re-purposed them: https://taoofmac.com/space/blog/2023/04/22/1330

The reason I got them was that I wanted small desktop displays to both replace my “now playing” Raspberry Pi display and act as smart speakers, and there didn’t seem to be anything event in the market (there are plenty of cheap Chinese tablets, but I wanted something with a standalone PSU and a proper speaker).

These are not Google Home devices (they run Android Things, but a “corporate” version tailored for Teams and Zoom calling) but they are functionally equivalent and surprisingly capable. After installing Firefox and PlexAmp, they do everything I could possibly want from a kitchen-top display, and I am considering getting another one.

Like the OP, I am fascinated with the fact that Google keeps shooting itself in the foot regarding home devices—-these things are as capable as any Android tablet and far more useful if you install a browser, so I honestly don’t see the point of nerfing them with fancy “home” UIs that do absolutely nothing useful.

If Google stopped messing with its partners and standardized on a a more open, more third-party friendly Android Things release with just a browser, a media player and the Play Store (plus maybe a better “family” calendar UI, which I baked in with an Outlook web view), I’m betting there would be plenty of cheap Chinese clones as well…

And they are more reliable to boot, since you won’t forget to charge them (no, a tablet on a dock isn’t the same thing).

Re: I'm never investing in Google's smart home ecosystem again

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Investing? To me it implies stocks. You are not investing in anything, you are consuming goods and services. When people buy loads of crap and call it "investing in a [good] ..." is that some sort of coping mechanism? No, you don't own boot futures. You bought some boots and you wear them.

From vague memory, "investing" has been a Sales Dept. buzzword since at least the 1970's. Typically used to ease a prospective customer into spending too much (if not way too much) money on something. With fairly explicit implications about $Product being awesome, admired by people you know, and lasting an exceptionally long time. And implicit implications of getting the customer emotionally invested in $Product - to the point where he is no longer making rational decisions, and spending way too much money.

Re: I'm never investing in Google's smart home ecosystem again

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I feel like I've been slowly de-Googling for many years now. A decade ago I was all-in, Chromecast Audio, Android, GSuite for a personal domain, Photos, Maps, Home products when they emerged. I'd made a bet that software could improve faster than hardware and chose to be as free in my choice of hardware as possible (Linux on a variety of machines and to bet on web software) rather than choosing a potentially more pol…

I switched from my iPhone 5 to a Google Nexus when Material Design came out, and quickly grew to love Google. However, after 10 years, I began to have security concerns and didn't like the idea of using Google anymore. So, I switched back to Apple and found that everything was more integrated with more features, better privacy and security. I even switched all my accounts to the new iCloud email and stopped using Gmail.

Re: I'm never investing in Google's smart home ecosystem again

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I recently went and got a couple of Lenovo ThinkSmart View displays off eBay and re-purposed them: https://taoofmac.com/space/blog/2023/04/22/1330 The reason I got them was that I wanted small desktop displays to both replace my “now playing” Raspberry Pi display and act as smart speakers, and there didn’t seem to be anything event in the market (there are plenty of cheap Chinese tablets, but I wanted something with…

“now playing”?

Re: I'm never investing in Google's smart home ecosystem again

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Investing? To me it implies stocks. You are not investing in anything, you are consuming goods and services. When people buy loads of crap and call it "investing in a [good] ..." is that some sort of coping mechanism? No, you don't own boot futures. You bought some boots and you wear them.

Investing is just anything you buy with an expected return. So you can buy boots with the expectation of selling them - and that is an investment.

But I completely agree with your fundamental point - it would be better described as a sunk-cost.

Re: I'm never investing in Google's smart home ecosystem again

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Investing? To me it implies stocks. You are not investing in anything, you are consuming goods and services. When people buy loads of crap and call it "investing in a [good] ..." is that some sort of coping mechanism? No, you don't own boot futures. You bought some boots and you wear them.

You invest in an ecosystem. That means that you are aware of the vendor lock-in and realize that moving to something else is going to be expensive and troublesome. Perhaps having to get rid of devices you've collected over a decade or having to engineering a hybrid solution with weird shortcomings. But by investing in it you expect returns as in a coherent system that work well together and that you can easily add more functionality over time and that also increases the utility of your existing devices.

The problems associated with it are why many, like me, refuse to be so dependent on any vendor.

And step one is to not buy anything that depends on the cloud to function.

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