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5G Rollout Disappointments

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Re: 5G Rollout Disappointments

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Skimmed, it seems like exactly what the reader might have suspected.

* More users on the 5G sites dragging that greenfield under-used speed mark down to the more typical value.

* Much of the hype 'best' with extremely high HZ spectrum that has short distance and low penetration E.G. Mostly giant sports stadiums.

* Suburbs and rural areas not a good match for the distance (frequency use) or capital investment required.

Re: 5G Rollout Disappointments

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Ah, millimetre wave, best known for allowing unqualified TSA staff to see through your clothes at airports.

Of course broad-area surface-penetrating surveillance is not what this technology is being rolled out for at all.

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I live in a large European city and am very often out and about and use my phone to navigate and consume content. I simply don't see the need for 5G.

4G was a major stepup in speed and given the rise of smartphones and platforms like YouTube, the speed increase made sense. There was an actual use for it. The speed increase for 5G seems to not really be needed though? At least for a majority of people 4G seems to do exactly what it needs to do.

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Is LTE and 5G performance degradation due to the wireless technology or is it somewhere upstream of that? Like what good is throwing more radio capacity at a stadium if it’s the backhaul, peering, or some other appliance in the middle that is getting overwhelmed?

This seems unsurprising.

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post #4

I live in a large European city and am very often out and about and use my phone to navigate and consume content. I simply don't see the need for 5G. 4G was a major stepup in speed and given the rise of smartphones and platforms like YouTube, the speed increase made sense. There was an actual use for it. The speed increase for 5G seems to not really be needed though? At least for a majority of people 4G seems to do e…

(Outside Zürich) I see 5G as motivated by carriers, being able to pack more customers into the same cell. And I would never pay extra for it.

My carrier once called and wondered if the 5G is working, and how I experience it. I'm guessing that was a PR stunt, since otherwise I wouldn't have noticed the awesome things they do for me in the background... But I might be too negative on this point. Maybe they actually wanted to know if their technology was working, by calling me and asking...

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post #4

I live in a large European city and am very often out and about and use my phone to navigate and consume content. I simply don't see the need for 5G. 4G was a major stepup in speed and given the rise of smartphones and platforms like YouTube, the speed increase made sense. There was an actual use for it. The speed increase for 5G seems to not really be needed though? At least for a majority of people 4G seems to do e…

Agree. I have an Android tablet that is a few years old, and the bottleneck is already the device's processing power, not the network, when it comes to rendering fancy web pages, for instance. This is clearly visible on both 4G and wi-fi.

Of course, the counterargument is that higher speed enables a new generation of (web) applications. Perhaps that materializes one day, but at this point it mostly remains irrelevant for the consumer.

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Is LTE and 5G performance degradation due to the wireless technology or is it somewhere upstream of that? Like what good is throwing more radio capacity at a stadium if it’s the backhaul, peering, or some other appliance in the middle that is getting overwhelmed? This seems unsurprising.

I think it's a combination of all of the above. Plus, 5G is still new so there's still way fewer towers and less spectrum dedicated vs. LTE

One other thing is that 5G as it stands now is a bit of a hybrid, still relying on LTE networks and control planes to do management functions. Some networks are working on, and have partially built out, 5G-native control planes but it's not done, it's new, and that also means those functions are still working out the bugs

Re: 5G Rollout Disappointments

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I've just found that any time my phone says it's on 5G, it barely works at all.

I've actually gone in and set the preferred network to LTE and every now and then I try setting it back, and almost every time I set it back within the day.

Doing some speed tests back and forth, LTE tends to have significantly less latency, higher bandwidth, and just works while every single web page load on 5G feels like a gamble.

Re: 5G Rollout Disappointments

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post #4

I live in a large European city and am very often out and about and use my phone to navigate and consume content. I simply don't see the need for 5G. 4G was a major stepup in speed and given the rise of smartphones and platforms like YouTube, the speed increase made sense. There was an actual use for it. The speed increase for 5G seems to not really be needed though? At least for a majority of people 4G seems to do e…

Faster speeds might not seem necessary, however you have to remember you are sharing the bandwidth. The quicker you can get your data the less time you spend using bandwidth.

If I can halve the download time that allows another user to use the bandwidth sooner.

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