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The businessman and the fisherman (1963)

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Re: The businessman and the fisherman (1963)

#41
While I appreciate the message, the experience of creating and running a successful business really does get a bad rap.

Yes, there are pains and stresses along the way... as with most things worth doing. However, the feeling of having created something is just as satisfying to some as sculpting or fishing to others.

There's also something to be said about creating meaningful employment for the people in your community.

Re: The businessman and the fisherman (1963)

#43
post #26

Hasn't that happened in Somalia? There were happy fishermen until their fishing grounds were depleted by businessmen and their big boats which led to the pirate industry? On land, it's hunter gatherers and farming or logging.

Yeah everyone here is totally missing this point “Who would make the iPhones then?” Nobody cause they wouldn’t exist

No they aren’t. They are pointing out that it’s a childlike fantasy that ends in pain and agony because a society based on subsistence is missing basic things like anti-bacterials, insulin, anesthesia for surgery, etc.

Re: The businessman and the fisherman (1963)

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A few years later, the fisherman gets an expensive, debilitating disease and dies penniless and destitute and alone. But at least he had fun before that.

Well, apparently the story was conceived by a German, in which case the social system would catch him, provide the health care he needs, and when recovered he'd be back on that beach...

It's also quite improbable when one lives stress free. Also, looking at the water clears your head and makes you more productive in the end.

Maybe if one engages in rock fishing or cliff jigging and slips off a wet rock, they could get a debilitating accident.

Didn't like for years it but I've finally taken up sport fishing myself last year, after a Greek taught me how they do it and let me try. Shore spinning can be very relaxing and one can enjoy water sports at the sea even in a Bf 4 breeze or during swell conditions when the red flag is up.

https://youtu.be/ayZ-x8CWH4k

Now if I go to the seaside I also bring my tackle along with the wetsuit and swimming goggles. In some countries you need a fishing permit (Croatia, Italy). In Greece you only need it for commercial fishing.

Re: The businessman and the fisherman (1963)

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post #5

Anybody want to take a crack at tracing the origin of this one?

Probably some ancient Indian tale - because most of the wandering tales we're using today come from ancient Indian stories (by way of Persians, Arabs, Greeks, etc. - as the trade goes, do the stories). If that's the case, the origin is probably impossible to determine.

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Re: The businessman and the fisherman (1963)

#46

I'd like an extended version of the story where the businessman realizes he's wrong, invites all his friends to give up their lives in the business-world and revert to subsistence living that provides freedom. Then society collapses because if everyone is doing the bare minimum, there isn't anything left over for basic government services.

Nobody said that the fisherman is engaged in subsistence living. I'd also like a citation on the claim that "basic government services" require profit-making (and presumably taxation to go with it) that is substantively different than the fisherman's approach to life.

Please cite your assertion "Nobody said that the fisherman is engaged in subsistence living."

Re: The businessman and the fisherman (1963)

#48

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> the good ideas from so many business books could be summed up in a few paragraphs Sure. You can also forgo reading most fiction by simply reading the Wikipedia plot summary.

Most non-fiction has little literary value (which consists of more than plot) though.

Sure, and most good self-help books have examples and rephrasing and re-examining of ideas to help the ideas take root, which is lost in a blog post summarising it

Re: The businessman and the fisherman (1963)

#49
There’s a related story, unfortunately not quite as neatly packaged, and it’s about taxi drivers.

A businessman gets into a taxi and starts talking to the taxi driver about (of course) business. The taxi driver is in a great mood and explains that today is a good day, this is his last trip since he has made the $400 he aims to make in just two hours. The businessman asks him what a bad day looks like, and the taxi driver says he might have to drive for ten hours to make that $400, and he’s miserable the whole time.

The businessman asks why he stops at that specific number, and the taxi driver replies that he starts out $300 ‘in the hole’ for car and medallion rental, so he has to make that back plus some more for his take-home pay. The businessman suggests to the taxi driver that good days like these are when he should do his epic ten hour shifts, and he should go home early on the bad days even if he loses money that day, as the extra money from the good days will more than cover the small losses on the bad days.

I guess the moral of both of these stories put together is that sometimes businessmen have good advice and sometimes they don’t.

Re: The businessman and the fisherman (1963)

#50

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Well, apparently the story was conceived by a German, in which case the social system would catch him, provide the health care he needs, and when recovered he'd be back on that beach...

But who pays for these social services to pay the doctors that heal him?

Immigrants waiting to get citizenship so they can enjoy the same safety net.
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