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New study: 70% of type 2 diabetes cases linked to food choices

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Re: New study: 70% of type 2 diabetes cases linked to food choices

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Post by pengaru »

aszantu wrote: post #97
prirun wrote: post #74

My personal, unsubstantiated opinion is that the food most people eat is now full of substances and chemicals that weren't there 50 years ago. A huge example is high fructose corn syrup. Almost everything is sweetened with that instead of cane sugar. Food manufacturers IMO only care about making food cheap, making us crave it, and making it last a long time on the shelf. They aren't concerned about making sure it is…

this makes me so sad. I can't eat anything sweet and the one thing I found that I seem to tolerate well to a degree is sweetened with sucralose, sweet is addictive... I just ate 8 apples today when I lost control and I'm going to pay the price the next few days (food intolerance)

If binging on apples is the worst of your concerns you're doing just fine.

Re: New study: 70% of type 2 diabetes cases linked to food choices

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Post by pengaru »

ulfw wrote: post #93
prirun wrote: post #74

My personal, unsubstantiated opinion is that the food most people eat is now full of substances and chemicals that weren't there 50 years ago. A huge example is high fructose corn syrup. Almost everything is sweetened with that instead of cane sugar. Food manufacturers IMO only care about making food cheap, making us crave it, and making it last a long time on the shelf. They aren't concerned about making sure it is…

America is not the world. High fructose corn syrup is a very American thing. Over 90% of the nutritive sweetener used worldwide is sucrose.

Sure, but HFCS is also a bit of a red herring. Sucrose is half fructose, the difference from HFCS is minor - they're both problematic for humans to consume in excess.

Re: New study: 70% of type 2 diabetes cases linked to food choices

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Post by steve_adams_86 »

aszantu wrote: post #97
prirun wrote: post #74

My personal, unsubstantiated opinion is that the food most people eat is now full of substances and chemicals that weren't there 50 years ago. A huge example is high fructose corn syrup. Almost everything is sweetened with that instead of cane sugar. Food manufacturers IMO only care about making food cheap, making us crave it, and making it last a long time on the shelf. They aren't concerned about making sure it is…

this makes me so sad. I can't eat anything sweet and the one thing I found that I seem to tolerate well to a degree is sweetened with sucralose, sweet is addictive... I just ate 8 apples today when I lost control and I'm going to pay the price the next few days (food intolerance)

Are you intolerant to apples? If not, I think you’re in good shape as far as binging goes.

I eat two or three apples just about every day. As far as food habits go I think it’s one of the best I’ve had.

Re: New study: 70% of type 2 diabetes cases linked to food choices

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Post by steve_adams_86 »

cyounkins wrote: post #79
prirun wrote: post #74

My personal, unsubstantiated opinion is that the food most people eat is now full of substances and chemicals that weren't there 50 years ago. A huge example is high fructose corn syrup. Almost everything is sweetened with that instead of cane sugar. Food manufacturers IMO only care about making food cheap, making us crave it, and making it last a long time on the shelf. They aren't concerned about making sure it is…

High fructose corn syrup is a very poor example. It is composed of fructose and glucose, both very familiar molecules to our bodies.

They’re familiar, but not in the acute and frequent doses we receive it in these days.

Re: New study: 70% of type 2 diabetes cases linked to food choices

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Post by rcme »

cyounkins wrote: post #79
prirun wrote: post #74

My personal, unsubstantiated opinion is that the food most people eat is now full of substances and chemicals that weren't there 50 years ago. A huge example is high fructose corn syrup. Almost everything is sweetened with that instead of cane sugar. Food manufacturers IMO only care about making food cheap, making us crave it, and making it last a long time on the shelf. They aren't concerned about making sure it is…

High fructose corn syrup is a very poor example. It is composed of fructose and glucose, both very familiar molecules to our bodies.

Fructose is an appetite stimulant, so eating a lot of it will change your eating habits. And we definitely eat more fructose than a few generations ago.

Re: New study: 70% of type 2 diabetes cases linked to food choices

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Post by rcme »

epistasis wrote: post #72
SoftTalker wrote: post #47

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Processed meats often also contain a lot of sugar. Breakfast sausage, bacon, etc. frequently have added sugar.

Even beef jerky has ridiculous amounts of sugar, it's hard to find a brand that doesn't have more sugar calories than protein calories. I tend to cook nearly all my own food anyway, but it would be nice to be able to pay somebody to make ready to eat foods that didn't include ridiculously needless additions.

You can buy sugar-free beef jerky. It tastes terrible.

Re: New study: 70% of type 2 diabetes cases linked to food choices

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Post by rcme »

19h wrote: post #42
fowtowmowcow wrote: post #3

Earlier quoted context omitted.

"Of the 11 dietary factors considered, three had an outsized contribution to the rising global incidence of type 2 diabetes: Insufficient intake of whole grains, excesses of refined rice and wheat, and the overconsumption of processed meat. Factors such as drinking too much fruit juice and not eating enough non-starchy vegetables, nuts, or seeds, had less of an impact on new cases of the disease. “Our study suggests…

Correlation does not equal causation. Diets high in red meat and fat have been the norm for most of human history, yet diabetes has only become an epidemic in recent decades. The real culprits are the processed foods and sedentary lifestyles of modern life, not traditional diets.

But they specifically called out processed meats, not just red meat.

Re: New study: 70% of type 2 diabetes cases linked to food choices

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Post by steve_adams_86 »

btilly wrote: post #13
jmartrican wrote: post #8

Really confused as to how processed meats lead to an insulin resistance disease. Also, I thought refined carbs have similar glucose index as their non-refined counter parts, so how would adding more insulin inducing foods be beneficial? And how come the grand daddy of insulin spikes, sugar, isn't a factor?

The non-refined versions may release as much glucose, but they don't do it all at once. Also the fiber that they contain is good for you. Processed meats contain a LOT of salt. Salt doesn't cause diabetes, but it does cause water retention and high blood pressure, so is bad for people with diabetes. As for sugar, they are on the list of foods they examined. What they found is that we're eating more French fries, so t…

It isn’t known to be causal but one suspected link is nitrites present in processed meats.

This study seems to be the best we have. It’s observational and involved self reporting of diets.

https://journals.plos.org/plosmedicine/article?id=10.1371/jo...

It’s complicated too because nitrites found in fresh vegetables are strongly correlated with health improvements. This could mean that nitrites aren’t the problem, nitrites in the presence of animal proteins is the problem, or in the presence of fat, salt, etc. It doesn’t appear very clear to me.

Re: New study: 70% of type 2 diabetes cases linked to food choices

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Post by rcme »

adgjlsfhk1 wrote: post #110
metadat wrote: post #2

What about consumption of processed sugar? (e.g. ice cream, candy, cookies, brownies, and all the foods from the grocery stores in the United States with sugar discreetly sprinkled in). Personally, I know if I consume too much of the above for several days, weeks, or months prior to a blood test, my A1C will be fucked up and bad. I am quite athletic, trim, and thin.

imo, the biggest contributor is soda. soda is roughly half as many grams of sugar as ice cream, but eating half a soda bottle of ice cream would make most people puke

A can of coke has 39g of sugar. A 14oz Haagen Dazs vanilla bean ice cream contains 32g per serving and 84g in the entire 14oz container.

A 2L bottle of Coke contains 220g of sugar. So half a bottle is less than 1.5 ice creams.

Re: New study: 70% of type 2 diabetes cases linked to food choices

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Post by steve_adams_86 »

abtinf wrote: post #11

Serious question: what is the evidence that type 2 diabetes is caused by diet? I’ve seen this assertion made universally, but never any explanation of its scientific root.

Apart from this study, the disease isn’t linked to diets directly, but the result of diets if that makes sense. Obesity is a major factor. Being sedentary is another. Once you become pre diabetic it seems diet becomes a larger factor for more obvious reasons, but the path to get there in the first place doesn’t seem to require a specific diet. You could become obese eating anything and still wind up having very high risk for developing type 2 diabetes.

I think this is a source of confusion because people develop it even though they became overweight on relatively healthy food. Or, at the very least, what they consider to be healthy food.

As for this study it seems to indicate to me that certain foods are much easier to get obese with, so they’re linked to the disease.

When you consider carbohydrate quality, a major difference between high and low quality sources is that the higher quality ones are harder to eat more of. That by default is a great protection from obesity. Foods which are harder to eat are almost always better for us if we struggle with portioning.

Take raw carrots for example. You would struggle to become obese by eating raw carrots. On the other hand, you can casually drink like 4 carrots worth of calories in a few minutes via soda. And not feel full at all.

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