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Re: I downloaded all 1.6M posts on Bluesky

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Post by eli »

feanaro wrote: post #144
eli wrote: post #130

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Strong user safety features are at odds with a federated protocol. IMHO federation is a mistake.

Federation is the only viable choice unless you want to submit to a central power. If you want strong safety, you shouldn't be broadcasting publicly into the aether.

Right I’m saying I don’t particularly care about the governance structure of the protocol underlying my social media network. A centralized network run by a nonprofit or a b-corp and a relatively open API sounds great to me.

User safety is a dealbreaker though. Pretty sure I’m not alone.

Re: I downloaded all 1.6M posts on Bluesky

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Post by nickthegreek »

brvsft wrote: post #100
dragonwriter wrote: post #93

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> The fact that they even take up visual space is an annoyance Yes, we all have things other HN users are interested in that we aren’t. That’s a consequence of participating in a community, as distinct from a hivemind.

Most links on HN don't interest me, and they don't bother me either, but the shilling for Bluesky has been quite apparent lately. If anything, their presence is more indicative of a hivemind than my eagerness for them to go away. Your proposal that I must want every link on HN to be something I am interested in is obviously a bad faith argument. Later.

I think the uptick of blue sky posts is directly tied to a bunch of techies/journos getting their invites and are excited for a possible Twitter alternative. But I’ve also seen articles talk about the issues with bluesky as well (hell threads, bunch of butts, public block lists, s3 domain thing). Exciting times.

Re: I downloaded all 1.6M posts on Bluesky

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Post by SturgeonsLaw »

eli wrote: post #130
btown wrote: post #123

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The problem is when B comes across a A post and reposts it to B’s followers with a call to action to harass A. If you don’t give A the ability to avoid this by influencing A’s presence on B’s feed, A will quit the platform entirely, and B will have been rewarded (with engagement) and incentivized to stir up mobs in the future. It creates a toxic environment. Blocking is an effective speed bump to this happening!

Strong user safety features are at odds with a federated protocol. IMHO federation is a mistake.

There's no shortage of social media that offer "user safety" (ie; arbitrary censorship, unaccountable mods, enforced thought bubbles).

Internet without the training wheels should at least be an option, for those of us who have thick enough skin to dismiss the stuff we don't like without needing a self appointed authority figure to decide for us.

Re: I downloaded all 1.6M posts on Bluesky

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Post by toomim »

brundolf wrote: post #88
mullingitover wrote: post #56

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So far it seems to be Mastodon, with some tweaks, and the improvement that while it's federated in theory , right now there's only one server . This addresses the critical flaw people point out with Mastodon, which is that because it requires you to choose a server it's too confusing. The requirement to choose a hosting provider is why email famously never took off.

It's structured very differently from Mastodon. Please stop repeating this meme without any firsthand knowledge

Please back this up with some "very" differences.

Re: I downloaded all 1.6M posts on Bluesky

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Post by ed25519FUUU »

gfodor wrote: post #64
neltnerb wrote: post #39

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It's so predictable that it's frustrating to see people who should know better falling for it. Of course it's a fresh feel without the trolls. It's not open to all yet, so of course it is. I don't know why they expect it to turn out any differently, it's hard to take this tool seriously. Facebook was fresh once too. It was invite only for elite universities so everyone had roughly the same expectations for where line…

They expect it to turn out differently because they’re building something in the style of how the web was built.

Technology has changed a lot. Have people changed?

Re: I downloaded all 1.6M posts on Bluesky

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Post by ed25519FUUU »

snowoutside wrote: post #155

It's very interesting they are using camelCase for their Postgres column names instead of snake_case. I like it. Is that something folks are doing? Can it be done without "doubleQuoting" all of the response column names or without using an ORM?

Probably using Java or similar so the columns are easier to serialize.

Re: I downloaded all 1.6M posts on Bluesky

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Post by wnevets »

admax88qqq wrote: post #104
wnevets wrote: post #90

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And that design lead to what difference?

Biggest difference that I noticed is in Bkueaky you identity is not tied to the site you signed up at. Mastodon has a huge flaw in that your identity is not stable. Like email your identity is tied to your provider, and if you change providers you have to change your identity, and all your contacts have to update their addresses boom so to speak. In Bluesky your identity is stable, with some caveats. It's easy to "br…

So its mastodon with better identity management?

Re: I downloaded all 1.6M posts on Bluesky

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Post by kredd »

SturgeonsLaw wrote: post #163
eli wrote: post #130

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Strong user safety features are at odds with a federated protocol. IMHO federation is a mistake.

There's no shortage of social media that offer "user safety" (ie; arbitrary censorship, unaccountable mods, enforced thought bubbles). Internet without the training wheels should at least be an option, for those of us who have thick enough skin to dismiss the stuff we don't like without needing a self appointed authority figure to decide for us.

So, 4chan?

Re: I downloaded all 1.6M posts on Bluesky

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Post by eli »

SturgeonsLaw wrote: post #163
eli wrote: post #130

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Strong user safety features are at odds with a federated protocol. IMHO federation is a mistake.

There's no shortage of social media that offer "user safety" (ie; arbitrary censorship, unaccountable mods, enforced thought bubbles). Internet without the training wheels should at least be an option, for those of us who have thick enough skin to dismiss the stuff we don't like without needing a self appointed authority figure to decide for us.

“Censorship” is popular because it works better than the alternatives. The unfiltered internet is an endless stream of spam and junk and crypto scams. Few people want every message sent to them to land in their inbox.

Re: I downloaded all 1.6M posts on Bluesky

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Post by [deleted] »

ChrisMarshallNY wrote: post #119
btown wrote: post #46

Given that Bluesky makes it this easy to download data, it's quite alarming that the graph of who blocks & mutes who is fully public and easy to extract into a database: https://atproto.com/lexicons/app-bsky-graph#appbskygraphgetb... On Twitter, blocking a toxic user does not notify them - while they can query the block status of one profile at a time, they can never get a full list of people who block them. But it w…

I'm writing a fairly basic social media app, right now. The target demographic is very security/privacy-sensitive, so we have discussions about stuff like this, all the time. If you block someone, they have no idea, except that you disappear from their radar. Even that, only came about, after a long discussion. Before, blocking someone simply meant that we could not see them, but they could see us. My location is som…

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