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This seems obvious. So what am I missing, as a layman?
I realize that there's real research being done here. But as a layman, I read this and only understand that Scottish, Welsh and Irish people are descended from the people who lived in those regions before. This seems obvious. So what am I missing, as a layman?
Modern England is largely made up from those descended from earlier immigrantion waves of mostly European origin that displaced original iron age occupants.
The "fringes" (for want of a better word) of the modern UK and Republic of Ireland (Scotland, Wales, the island of Ireland) still retain populations that are largely descended from OG occupants.
Shouldn't the title read "Modern Scottish, Welsh, Northern Irish and English people found to have Pictish ancestry"?
well, I'm Scottish, but I was born in America, so shouldn't it also say American ? /s omission from the title does not mean that the unmentioned nation has zero Pictish ancestry.
It gets even more perplexing when you consider someone like .. well, me .. who would say "I'm from X, but not of X".
I think what's surprising to me is all the people who seem to think that the chief method of conquest is replacement, when it's long been established that it's indoctrination. The Romans didn't kill off native peoples - they subjugated them, taxed them, and forced them to comply with some Roman norms. Their greater success though, was getting the people to want to be Roman. And who wouldn't want to be Roman when the…
> I think what's surprising to me is all the people who seem to think that the chief method of conquest is replacement, when it's long been established that it's indoctrination. The Romans… …are a singular example. I can name a singular counterexample: the R1 Y-chromosome haplotype completely replaced the preexisting indigenous Y-chromosome haplotypes across Europe, indicating that the male population was replaced wh…
The deaths caused by europeans arriving in the americas (without fighting) are estimated at 10% of all living humans of that era.
I realize that there's real research being done here. But as a layman, I read this and only understand that Scottish, Welsh and Irish people are descended from the people who lived in those regions before. This seems obvious. So what am I missing, as a layman?
Modern North Americans largely are not descended from those that lived in North America two thousand years ago - the original locals were swamped by immigrants from elsewhere. Modern England is largely made up from those descended from earlier immigrantion waves of mostly European origin that displaced original iron age occupants. The "fringes" (for want of a better word) of the modern UK and Republic of Ireland (Sco…
Not swamped. They first had up to 80% of their existing population eliminated by diseases that early european explorers bought with them.
I realize that there's real research being done here. But as a layman, I read this and only understand that Scottish, Welsh and Irish people are descended from the people who lived in those regions before. This seems obvious. So what am I missing, as a layman?
It was known that there were people in the British Isles before the arrival of the Indo-Europeans. It was not known that these were the Picts. It was known that the Picts were regarded as culturally distinct, when they were around, from other populations which are regarded as having a continuous history to the present times. It was not obvious that there were any genetically Pictish people left, or, if so, where they lived. It was not obvious that the Picts were just the pre-Indo-European people of the British Isles. These things were among hypotheses offered, but genetic analysis has established that it is so.
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Modern North Americans largely are not descended from those that lived in North America two thousand years ago - the original locals were swamped by immigrants from elsewhere. Modern England is largely made up from those descended from earlier immigrantion waves of mostly European origin that displaced original iron age occupants. The "fringes" (for want of a better word) of the modern UK and Republic of Ireland (Sco…
> the original locals were swamped by immigrants from elsewhere. Not swamped. They first had up to 80% of their existing population eliminated by diseases that early european explorers bought with them.
I realize that there's real research being done here. But as a layman, I read this and only understand that Scottish, Welsh and Irish people are descended from the people who lived in those regions before. This seems obvious. So what am I missing, as a layman?
Modern North Americans largely are not descended from those that lived in North America two thousand years ago - the original locals were swamped by immigrants from elsewhere. Modern England is largely made up from those descended from earlier immigrantion waves of mostly European origin that displaced original iron age occupants. The "fringes" (for want of a better word) of the modern UK and Republic of Ireland (Sco…
This I didn't know. Thanks. I guess I need to brush up on my knowledge of English history.
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Modern North Americans largely are not descended from those that lived in North America two thousand years ago - the original locals were swamped by immigrants from elsewhere. Modern England is largely made up from those descended from earlier immigrantion waves of mostly European origin that displaced original iron age occupants. The "fringes" (for want of a better word) of the modern UK and Republic of Ireland (Sco…
> Modern England is largely made up from those descended from earlier immigrantion waves of mostly European origin This I didn't know. Thanks. I guess I need to brush up on my knowledge of English history.
Going further back in time, I'm guessing you're aware that modern Scotland corresponds roughly to the area of Britain that the Romans weren't able to conquer. The Roman settlement of Londinium became London. We also get our English word "pound" and its abbreviation "lb." from the two halves of the Latin phrase "libra pondo", dating back to Roman Britain.
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> Modern England is largely made up from those descended from earlier immigrantion waves of mostly European origin This I didn't know. Thanks. I guess I need to brush up on my knowledge of English history.
For one, England means "land of the Angles" (or in French, "Angleterre": "Angle land"). The Anglo-Saxon majority people group of England descend from the Angles, Saxons, and Jutes, from the coastal German regions of Anglia, Old Saxony, and Jutland. There's also significant admixture from Norse invasion/settlement (and also the Normans, who were Norse who took over a region of France and adopted a dialect of the Frenc…