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Waymo One doubles service area in Phoenix, continues growing in SF

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Re: Waymo One doubles service area in Phoenix, continues growing in SF

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Post by gamblor956 »

fallingknife wrote: post #387
gamblor956 wrote: post #380

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It doesn't matter what advanced driving systems you compare; Tesla is the world's worst in terms of accidents, injuries, and fatalities. For sources: NYT and WaPo both have a series of articles covering this; the NHTSA has released a report documenting over 100 Tesla advanced driving accidents.

It's not 100. It's 100/X and if you don't know what X is then your number is worse than useless.

It's 19 fatalities in the U.S. and over 273 accidents as of June 2022. The numbers have gone up since then. (https://www.cnbc.com/2022/06/15/data-shows-tesla-accounts-fo...).

For comparison, the entire rest of the world's automotive industry has 1 fatality and fewer than 100 accidents, despite having advanced driving systems on more than 3 million vehicles.

But nice try, I'm sure Elon would love to hire you hire Tesla's damage control department.

Re: Waymo One doubles service area in Phoenix, continues growing in SF

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Post by gamblor956 »

surfpel wrote: post #395
gamblor956 wrote: post #380

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It doesn't matter what advanced driving systems you compare; Tesla is the world's worst in terms of accidents, injuries, and fatalities. For sources: NYT and WaPo both have a series of articles covering this; the NHTSA has released a report documenting over 100 Tesla advanced driving accidents.

> It doesn't matter what advanced driving systems you compare It doesn’t matter? Sorry, but this is absurd. There are no other advanced driving systems on any production vehicles that is comparable to what Tesla is doing. This kind of unbacked, vague, hand-wavey, arm-chair cynicism holds society back from making real progress. No thanks.

True, Tesla's ADAS systems are unique in crashing into things like big rigs, police cars, parked cars, children, and other things that every other system is able to avoid.

Silly pro-Tesla FUD is setting back actual progress in ADAS systems by years.

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gamblor956 wrote: post #402
surfpel wrote: post #395

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> It doesn't matter what advanced driving systems you compare It doesn’t matter? Sorry, but this is absurd. There are no other advanced driving systems on any production vehicles that is comparable to what Tesla is doing. This kind of unbacked, vague, hand-wavey, arm-chair cynicism holds society back from making real progress. No thanks.

True, Tesla's ADAS systems are unique in crashing into things like big rigs, police cars, parked cars, children, and other things that every other system is able to avoid. Silly pro-Tesla FUD is setting back actual progress in ADAS systems by years.

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Re: Waymo One doubles service area in Phoenix, continues growing in SF

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Post by bobthepanda »

xnx wrote: post #360
bobthepanda wrote: post #265

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Most of the time the issue with bike lanes is really an issue of a bike lane network. Where a wide high-quality network is deployed quickly, you do often see high ridership increases, but usually in the US what you see is a bunch of scattered lanes that barely reach anywhere in an unbroken link, and no one wants to ride a journey that is even 5% dangerous. But for example, London has seen 25% growth since pre-COVID b…

As a regular, enthusiastic, urban cyclist, there is nothing I want more than widespread use of autonomous vehicles. With well-behaved (i.e. not human) drivers, every street becomes safer and less stressful than a dedicated bike lane.

I think we're quite a ways away from that.

Also, there was that case with the Uber self-driving car hitting the person crossing the street with a bicycle in Phoenix, because they had turned off the bicycle detection resulting in automatic braking.

Re: Waymo One doubles service area in Phoenix, continues growing in SF

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Post by fastball »

ra7 wrote: post #355
fastball wrote: post #342

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I don't think anyone has "figured it out" if they still don't have unconstrained driverless cars.

That’s tangential to your original point of discussion which was sensor integration. Sensor fusion is absolutely a solved problem. Autonomous driving requires more than just sensor fusion though.

It's not tangential at all. If the purpose of these sensors is for autonomous driving, and "solving" sensor fusion hasn't gotten you there, how can you possibly say it is a solved problem? Sensor fusion (in this context) is not solved until you are using fused sensors for autonomous driving.

Re: Waymo One doubles service area in Phoenix, continues growing in SF

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Post by ra7 »

fastball wrote: post #405
ra7 wrote: post #355

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That’s tangential to your original point of discussion which was sensor integration. Sensor fusion is absolutely a solved problem. Autonomous driving requires more than just sensor fusion though.

It's not tangential at all. If the purpose of these sensors is for autonomous driving, and "solving" sensor fusion hasn't gotten you there, how can you possibly say it is a solved problem? Sensor fusion (in this context) is not solved until you are using fused sensors for autonomous driving.

Why are you equating sensor fusion with solving the entirety of autonomous driving? That’s disingenuous. You understand sub problems can be solved, right? Sensor fusion is just combining different sensor inputs so you have high confidence in your object detection and you’re not “confused with disagreements” as Tesla likes to say. Self driving involves solving prediction and planning problems too, not just sensor fusion.

Re: Waymo One doubles service area in Phoenix, continues growing in SF

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Post by xnx »

inferiorhuman wrote: post #392
xnx wrote: post #385

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> Individual vehicles suffer from massive inefficiency compared to nearly any other form of transportation I though this too until I looked at the true dollar costs or carbon impact per passenger mile. That doesn't even account for the externalities of particulate pollution and road wear. The buses in my city are also filthy diesel, belching thick, noxious, clouds of soot as they accelerate away from the stop, right…

That sounds like a problem with your city. I've not seen a diesel car or truck belching smoke out here in decades . San Francisco phased out the two stroke diesels in the late 00s, and even those were a lot cleaner than the two strokes of my youth. still do heavy damage to the road surface: rutting and exacerbating potholes. Sure, the wear goes up exponentially with the weight (and axle loading). OTOH you need signif…

This is probably my mistake, they may not be diesel, but there is a lot of sooty exhaust, so they're probably burning oil.
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