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New study: 70% of type 2 diabetes cases linked to food choices

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Re: New study: 70% of type 2 diabetes cases linked to food choices

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Post by dangwhy »

Pxtl wrote: post #33
SamoyedFurFluff wrote: post #22

Does that mean subbing out my rice for brown rice or subbing out my white sourdough for whole grain sourdough reduced risk?? Or if I still eat way too much whole wheat pasta it’ll still contribute to t2d down the line?

I mean I'm 41 and mostly ate whole wheat and brown rice when I cooked and still got T2D, but on the other hand I have an incredible weakness for breakfast cereal -- not the sugary ones, just carb-loading on cheerios.

yea i think its hard to pin down t2d to couple of foods like authors did. I've used cgm for months and i've noticed many things influence .

> stress

> body composition ( muscle is more sensitive to glucose/insulin).

> meal and time of day

> activity post meal ( chilling vs walking ect)

> sleep

Re: New study: 70% of type 2 diabetes cases linked to food choices

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Post by 19h »

fowtowmowcow wrote: post #3
metadat wrote: post #2

What about consumption of processed sugar? (e.g. ice cream, candy, cookies, brownies, and all the foods from the grocery stores in the United States with sugar discreetly sprinkled in). Personally, I know if I consume too much of the above for several days, weeks, or months prior to a blood test, my A1C will be fucked up and bad. I am quite athletic, trim, and thin.

"Of the 11 dietary factors considered, three had an outsized contribution to the rising global incidence of type 2 diabetes: Insufficient intake of whole grains, excesses of refined rice and wheat, and the overconsumption of processed meat. Factors such as drinking too much fruit juice and not eating enough non-starchy vegetables, nuts, or seeds, had less of an impact on new cases of the disease. “Our study suggests…

Correlation does not equal causation. Diets high in red meat and fat have been the norm for most of human history, yet diabetes has only become an epidemic in recent decades. The real culprits are the processed foods and sedentary lifestyles of modern life, not traditional diets.

Re: New study: 70% of type 2 diabetes cases linked to food choices

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Post by SamoyedFurFluff »

robopsychology wrote: post #36
mjevans wrote: post #29

Unless there's an easy solution most of us are just going to die from this. I can't battle the market that wants to feed me supersized everything because that's where they can hide the cost of wages and offer an illusion of value. It needs to be tasty (enough), it needs to be cheap (at least enough to compete with the crap food that's already an option), and it needs to be an option everywhere. Clearly, regulation is…

Yes you can - stick to whole foods and cook reasonable portions. Mediterranean dishes are easy and healthy to cook. The rest of the world can do it, so can America!

The rest of the world isn’t doing it according to the study

Re: New study: 70% of type 2 diabetes cases linked to food choices

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Post by candiddevmike »

tsol wrote: post #39
candiddevmike wrote: post #21

Earlier quoted context omitted.

To me, that's a lot of money for a piece of plastic. I get that it's a medical device and needed lots of testing etc, but Nutrisense seems like too much "value add" to justify what they charge for it. Hopefully I can get a prescription and get this all covered by insurance.

CGM's are fairly recent technology and they're all very expensive right now

According to Wikipedia, first CGM was approved in 1999. That may be recent for medical devices I guess, but it still seems like they're charging a lot for 20+ year old tech...

Re: New study: 70% of type 2 diabetes cases linked to food choices

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Post by piyh »

notshift wrote: post #34
SamoyedFurFluff wrote: post #22

Does that mean subbing out my rice for brown rice or subbing out my white sourdough for whole grain sourdough reduced risk?? Or if I still eat way too much whole wheat pasta it’ll still contribute to t2d down the line?

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Any sources for that? I've never heard of an anti nutrient before.

Re: New study: 70% of type 2 diabetes cases linked to food choices

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Post by SamoyedFurFluff »

robopsychology wrote: post #38
SamoyedFurFluff wrote: post #22

Does that mean subbing out my rice for brown rice or subbing out my white sourdough for whole grain sourdough reduced risk?? Or if I still eat way too much whole wheat pasta it’ll still contribute to t2d down the line?

Just don’t get bread with sugar in it. Never understood that about America. The healthiest countries on Earth eat pasta or rice.

The study was international, not America only

Re: New study: 70% of type 2 diabetes cases linked to food choices

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Post by SoftTalker »

thih9 wrote: post #30
btilly wrote: post #13

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The non-refined versions may release as much glucose, but they don't do it all at once. Also the fiber that they contain is good for you. Processed meats contain a LOT of salt. Salt doesn't cause diabetes, but it does cause water retention and high blood pressure, so is bad for people with diabetes. As for sugar, they are on the list of foods they examined. What they found is that we're eating more French fries, so t…

> Processed meats contain a LOT of salt. Salt doesn't cause diabetes, but it does cause water retention and high blood pressure, so is bad for people with diabetes. Why is salt / bad influence for people with diabetes relevant in this context? Weren’t we interested in meat in relation to the rising global incidence of diabetes? Cottage cheese, shrimp, canned tuna and more also are high in sodium.

Processed meats often also contain a lot of sugar. Breakfast sausage, bacon, etc. frequently have added sugar.

Re: New study: 70% of type 2 diabetes cases linked to food choices

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Post by txru »

notshift wrote: post #34
SamoyedFurFluff wrote: post #22

Does that mean subbing out my rice for brown rice or subbing out my white sourdough for whole grain sourdough reduced risk?? Or if I still eat way too much whole wheat pasta it’ll still contribute to t2d down the line?

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Just wildly incorrect. https://www.webmd.com/diet/health-benefits-of-whole-grain-pa...

Sure it might be better to avoid milled grains, but if you do, (the vast vast majority of people don't avoid them) they should be whole or brown.

What's more, if you're talking ancestral diet, it should certainly includes grains like wild rice, whole barley, rough milled wheat, farro, and quinoa.

Re: New study: 70% of type 2 diabetes cases linked to food choices

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Post by riceart »

maxerickson wrote: post #12
riceart wrote: post #7

Earlier quoted context omitted.

No - in general shrinkflation is a thing - and it tends that things peaked 20 to 30 years ago. Many junk food items are larger than when they hit the shelves but substantially smaller than their peak sizes.

I don’t think candies and ice cream today are particularly less healthy than they were 50 years ago Compared to 50 years ago, portions are larger and, based on little more than my personal impression, stuff has gotten softer and easier to eat. Larger packages tend to be have shrunk some, but like there's "shareable" M&Ms or whatever by the register, in a much bigger package than decades ago.

> Compared to 50 years ago, portions are larger and, based on little more than my personal impression, stuff has gotten softer and easier to eat.

The person I was replying to was talking about supermarket sold mass produced confections, and my response was valid, not based on personal experience and can be easily verified. For most of those things shrinkflation is the predominant force. Ice cream packaging sizes and prepackaged cookies haven’t gotten larger. And if anybody is surprised that these products are loaded with refined sugar (then as now) that’s on the public education system. The fats used have may have changed.

Restaurant portion sizes and content have increased but that’s a different problem. Same as dispensed soft drinks.

> gotten softer and easier to eat.

What does this even mean?

Hostess foods famously went out of business a few years ago. When I think “soft” and calorie dense I can’t imagine any time more representative than the 50s and 60s.

Re: New study: 70% of type 2 diabetes cases linked to food choices

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Post by jeffbee »

Who else has trouble interpreting these guidelines? What's 300g of fruit in practical terms? I ate a huge honeycrisp apple for breakfast. It probably weighed 400 or 500g. Is that a whole day of fruit? Or, does it not really count because of the water content? I also ate half a dozen dried apricots. Am I supposed to mentally rehydrate them to arrive at the serving size? And what about this use of the term "optimal"? The way they are using it is to mean "there is no risk associated with exposure beyond the optimal intake exposure level" which to me suggests a word like "sufficient" instead. Can you just eat as much fruit as you like?

I'm old and my eating habits aren't going to change but my children are both really interested in these topics and concerned about developing bad eating habits, even though I think I have given them healthy ones.

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