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Re: I downloaded all 1.6M posts on Bluesky

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Post by TulliusCicero »

mcv wrote: post #96
snickerbockers wrote: post #59

Earlier quoted context omitted.

TBH I haven't paid much attention to it, but as somebody who was already using Mastodon as their primary social network for years before Musk took over, I'm not sure I understand what niche BlueSky is even supposed to fill that ActivityPub/Fediverse doesn't already fill. It just seems like a bunch of guys who got ousted from their jobs trying to invent a new commercial social network. And one of the things that needs…

I'm especially interested in what their new protocol offers that ActivityPub doesn't. There are more protocols than just ActivityPub, like Zot6 which focuses a lot more on nomadic identity than ActivityPub does. I'd love to know what it is that makes BlueSky's protocol better and therefore worth adding. Because if it doesn't do anything that other protocols already do, then what's the point?

As someone who's watched some of this but has little personal interest, the differentiation seems to be that Bluesky has a more compelling product on top of its decentralized protocol, judging by the reaction to it by 'personalities' from various domains.

Re: I downloaded all 1.6M posts on Bluesky

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Post by capableweb »

brundolf wrote: post #85
bnewbold wrote: post #47

some quick thoughts/notes (I am on the bluesky team, but this isn't an official policy statement): - content on bluesky is public, but we have not set expectations/comms around that well yet, and this dump may be a surprise to some existing accounts. where exactly bluesky falls on the spectrum from "congressional register (immutable)" to "public web" to "public IRC or discord room" to "private signal group" is still…

Thanks for weighing in It's disappointing to hear that follower-only/circles (whitelisted viewers) posts are basically incompatible with the current protocol. I'd hoped something could be done where the post content was encrypted in such a way that only specific authenticated users could decrypt it, or something along those lines

It doesn't sound too hard to layer on top of AT Proto. You already have cryptographic building blocks so you can encrypt content for specific users, I'd guess the only thing that is missing having something like that is the actual UI.

But I haven't done a deep-dive into the protocol, just a surface glance so far.

Re: I downloaded all 1.6M posts on Bluesky

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Post by steveklabnik »

snickerbockers wrote: post #71
mullingitover wrote: post #56

Earlier quoted context omitted.

So far it seems to be Mastodon, with some tweaks, and the improvement that while it's federated in theory , right now there's only one server . This addresses the critical flaw people point out with Mastodon, which is that because it requires you to choose a server it's too confusing. The requirement to choose a hosting provider is why email famously never took off.

>the improvement that while it's federated in theory, right now there's only one server has the federation even been implemented? Is it an open protocol? Why on earth should anybody trust them not to go back on their word once they've gotten enough critical mass that nobody wants to leave because that's where their friends are (the so-called "network effect")?

> Is it an open protocol?

https://atproto.com/

Re: I downloaded all 1.6M posts on Bluesky

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Post by areoform »

bnewbold wrote: post #47

some quick thoughts/notes (I am on the bluesky team, but this isn't an official policy statement): - content on bluesky is public, but we have not set expectations/comms around that well yet, and this dump may be a surprise to some existing accounts. where exactly bluesky falls on the spectrum from "congressional register (immutable)" to "public web" to "public IRC or discord room" to "private signal group" is still…

As a team member, one request that I do have is that don't make Clubhouse's mistake. Someone once told me that Clubhouse was like a house party, where your behavior reflected on who invited you. So it kept the initial community quality high.

The minute Clubhouse removed that invite-only policy, the community died very quickly and everything was replaced by the worst sludge imaginable.

I think you should keep the invite structure, and increase the number of invites to positive users/communities (as you already do!). And use the graph that naturally forms to inform content moderation.

Social shame is a strong motivator that hasn't been properly deployed by a platform yet (mobs on twitter don't count). What I'm thinking about is that if someone you invited directly does something horrible like, posts slurs to a user, then the inviter should also get a notice that their invitee was a horrible human being. And if this inviter's invites end up being toxic people, then it may be a good idea to prune that branch of the tree.

This structure will limit growth, necessarily, but it will also give you time to solidify a new kind of structure and a new kind of experiment in social media.

I think it is possible to have a high-quality social network that scales.

Also, please for the love of god, I want to get my mom to use the platform, can you make sure that stuff doesn't break containment?

Re: I downloaded all 1.6M posts on Bluesky

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Post by nl »

snickerbockers wrote: post #59
SeanAnderson wrote: post #22

I would just like to say that I am excited for Bluesky to exist. It might go poorly, but I'm unwilling to write off weird attempts at innovation before the technology has had a chance to evolve in the wild. I've seen several posts lately that have made me feel like the HN sentiment towards Bluesky is negative. Throwing them under the bus for the domain validation mistake. Hatred at commercialization of a protocol. Qu…

TBH I haven't paid much attention to it, but as somebody who was already using Mastodon as their primary social network for years before Musk took over, I'm not sure I understand what niche BlueSky is even supposed to fill that ActivityPub/Fediverse doesn't already fill. It just seems like a bunch of guys who got ousted from their jobs trying to invent a new commercial social network. And one of the things that needs…

Twitter remains a great and useful social network if you stay in the right circles.

ML Twitter is fantastic for example.

Re: I downloaded all 1.6M posts on Bluesky

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Post by thealchemistdev »

areoform wrote: post #114
bnewbold wrote: post #47

some quick thoughts/notes (I am on the bluesky team, but this isn't an official policy statement): - content on bluesky is public, but we have not set expectations/comms around that well yet, and this dump may be a surprise to some existing accounts. where exactly bluesky falls on the spectrum from "congressional register (immutable)" to "public web" to "public IRC or discord room" to "private signal group" is still…

As a team member, one request that I do have is that don't make Clubhouse's mistake. Someone once told me that Clubhouse was like a house party, where your behavior reflected on who invited you. So it kept the initial community quality high. The minute Clubhouse removed that invite-only policy, the community died very quickly and everything was replaced by the worst sludge imaginable. I think you should keep the invi…

Social solutions to social problems. Perfect!

Re: I downloaded all 1.6M posts on Bluesky

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Post by ChrisMarshallNY »

btown wrote: post #46

Given that Bluesky makes it this easy to download data, it's quite alarming that the graph of who blocks & mutes who is fully public and easy to extract into a database: https://atproto.com/lexicons/app-bsky-graph#appbskygraphgetb... On Twitter, blocking a toxic user does not notify them - while they can query the block status of one profile at a time, they can never get a full list of people who block them. But it w…

I'm writing a fairly basic social media app, right now.

The target demographic is very security/privacy-sensitive, so we have discussions about stuff like this, all the time.

If you block someone, they have no idea, except that you disappear from their radar. Even that, only came about, after a long discussion. Before, blocking someone simply meant that we could not see them, but they could see us.

My location is something that I can force off (meaning that no one can find me in location searches). Even when it is visible, it is "fuzzed," so that the location anyone (other than you) can see, is a random one, within a 10Km square.

All visibility/security is enforced at the server. If possible, in SQL, so it never even makes it into the server code. Having API access buys you nothing.

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