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Modern Scottish, Welsh and Northern Irish people found to have Pictish ancestry

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Re: Modern Scottish, Welsh and Northern Irish people found to have Pictish ancestry

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I think what's surprising to me is all the people who seem to think that the chief method of conquest is replacement, when it's long been established that it's indoctrination. The Romans didn't kill off native peoples - they subjugated them, taxed them, and forced them to comply with some Roman norms. Their greater success though, was getting the people to want to be Roman.

And who wouldn't want to be Roman when the simple words "Civis romanus sum" were an effective passport through an empire that stretched months of travel? When it opened commercial opportunities with a large and relatively effective bureaucracy? A nation that built roads and exported consumer goods, spices and wines and finery, like none had ever before it? Most of Europe is still interconnected by the roads the Romans paved. They've been repaved with macadam, but the lines are the same.

People imitated the Romans because they were powerful. They formed alliances and married their daughters off to Romans who would keep them in relative luxury. The conquest was equally about minds as of arms.

This has been true in all conquests. Some have been more brutal about instilling their culture than the Romans, and to that end, they were more effective at suppressing or destroying the previous culture. But ultimately, it is the conquered people taking on the aspects of their conqueror more than genocide and recolonization that has succeeded in spreading cultures throughout history.

Re: Modern Scottish, Welsh and Northern Irish people found to have Pictish ancestry

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this stuff is so fascinating.

I hope that after I die I go into spectator mode, but with the added ability to move myself through time so I can see all kinds of stuff like this play out.

There are so many historical questions that I want better answers to.

The Picts are one of those historical questions, for me.

Re: Modern Scottish, Welsh and Northern Irish people found to have Pictish ancestry

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Shouldn't the title read "Modern Scottish, Welsh, Northern Irish and English people found to have Pictish ancestry"?

well, I'm Scottish, but I was born in America, so shouldn't it also say American? /s

omission from the title does not mean that the unmentioned nation has zero Pictish ancestry.

Re: Modern Scottish, Welsh and Northern Irish people found to have Pictish ancestry

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I think what's surprising to me is all the people who seem to think that the chief method of conquest is replacement, when it's long been established that it's indoctrination. The Romans didn't kill off native peoples - they subjugated them, taxed them, and forced them to comply with some Roman norms. Their greater success though, was getting the people to want to be Roman. And who wouldn't want to be Roman when the…

> The Romans didn't kill off native peoples - they subjugated them, taxed them, and forced them to comply with some Roman norms.

That's painting with a bit of a broad brush. The Romans had no problems killing off large swaths of the population.

Depopulation was a tactic that was absolutely on the table. For example, during the conquest of Gaul, ~1/3 of the population was killed and another ~1/3 were sold off as slaves. The tactics you're talking about were used on the remaining 1/3.

Those tactics, admittedly, work quite well when you only have to deal with the friendliest 1/3 of a population.

Re: Modern Scottish, Welsh and Northern Irish people found to have Pictish ancestry

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post #4

Shouldn't the title read "Modern Scottish, Welsh, Northern Irish and English people found to have Pictish ancestry"?

well, I'm Scottish, but I was born in America, so shouldn't it also say American ? /s omission from the title does not mean that the unmentioned nation has zero Pictish ancestry.

The opening of the article explicitly lists “Scotland, Wales, North Ireland and Northumbria” despite leaving Northumbria (which resides mostly in northern England) out of the title.

Re: Modern Scottish, Welsh and Northern Irish people found to have Pictish ancestry

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post #4

Shouldn't the title read "Modern Scottish, Welsh, Northern Irish and English people found to have Pictish ancestry"?

well, I'm Scottish, but I was born in America, so shouldn't it also say American ? /s omission from the title does not mean that the unmentioned nation has zero Pictish ancestry.

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Re: Modern Scottish, Welsh and Northern Irish people found to have Pictish ancestry

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I think what's surprising to me is all the people who seem to think that the chief method of conquest is replacement, when it's long been established that it's indoctrination. The Romans didn't kill off native peoples - they subjugated them, taxed them, and forced them to comply with some Roman norms. Their greater success though, was getting the people to want to be Roman. And who wouldn't want to be Roman when the…

> I think what's surprising to me is all the people who seem to think that the chief method of conquest is replacement, when it's long been established that it's indoctrination.

> This has been true in all conquests.

You lost it at the end there. Compare the United States.

Some conquests are a small group installing themselves at the top of society. Others are a large group installing themselves at all levels.

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