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A cryptocurrency company had a $65M bill, per Datadog’s Q1 earnings call

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Re: A cryptocurrency company had a $65M bill, per Datadog’s Q1 earnings call

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Post by slyall »

honeybadger223 wrote: post #13
monero-xmr wrote: post #2

What is best cost effective and decent alternative to DD in 2023? I also feel like they are robbing me blind. Great product though.

Depends on what you want to monitor. Grafana is pretty decent, but the real draw to Datadog is their APM stack. The UI for tracing and looking at stuff is pretty awesome. Though you could get most things into Grafana with something like Prometheus. The problem with Grafana is understanding what the limitations are. If you're not careful with the number of panels and such it can get quite slow. I've used Grafonnet bef…

Depends a lot what sort of scale you are on too. Grafana Cloud will be cheaper than DD but is not quite as end-user friendly.

Running it yourself is not too hard up if you are not having to do clustering ( say 1m metric series, 100GB/day logs). But different people have different comfort levels for that.

With any monitoring system most of the work is actually making use of the data. Tagging, Alerts, Dashboards and especially onboarding all the teams. You can spend a lot of time and money rolling something out and then barely anybody uses it.

Re: A cryptocurrency company had a $65M bill, per Datadog’s Q1 earnings call

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Post by postpawl »

xeromal wrote: post #26
monero-xmr wrote: post #2

What is best cost effective and decent alternative to DD in 2023? I also feel like they are robbing me blind. Great product though.

My small team had to choose between New Relic and DD and I found New Relic's billing model to be more appetizing. It was per seat and you could switch who was in the seat. Unlimited instances and most of the features were covered under that seat besides some extra things like HIPAA / Finance related stuff. They also have "regular" users that are free that can make dashboards and such. DD drove me nuts with their craz…

> you could switch who was in the seat

For others reading this - you can’t just switch back and forth a few times a week. A full platform user can be moved to a basic user only twice in a 12-month period.

Re: A cryptocurrency company had a $65M bill, per Datadog’s Q1 earnings call

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Post by nikolay_sivko »

monero-xmr wrote: post #2

What is best cost effective and decent alternative to DD in 2023? I also feel like they are robbing me blind. Great product though.

Take a look at Coroot: it's open-source, ebpf-powered, and can be integrated in minutes: https://github.com/coroot/coroot

Re: A cryptocurrency company had a $65M bill, per Datadog’s Q1 earnings call

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Post by MikeDelta »

himlion wrote: post #32
brink wrote: post #29

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yup, they did that to our team too. Calling my coworker during the evening, emailing me and messaging me on LinkedIn at the same time. When I said "no thanks" they replied with a message to set up a meeting. Went from a maybe someday to a never real quick. They really need to rethink their marketing.

I wonder if that kind of marketing is actually quite successful. You'd think they wouldn't risk their reputation otherwise right?

Could be salespeople that are paid by contracts closed, with zero regards for the consequences to the company's reputation.

Re: A cryptocurrency company had a $65M bill, per Datadog’s Q1 earnings call

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Post by jbverschoor »

MikeDelta wrote: post #45
himlion wrote: post #32

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I wonder if that kind of marketing is actually quite successful. You'd think they wouldn't risk their reputation otherwise right?

Could be salespeople that are paid by contracts closed, with zero regards for the consequences to the company's reputation.

With bills that large and when they’re on commission, it’s very logical

Re: A cryptocurrency company had a $65M bill, per Datadog’s Q1 earnings call

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Post by qxip »

berkle4455 wrote: post #4
monero-xmr wrote: post #2

What is best cost effective and decent alternative to DD in 2023? I also feel like they are robbing me blind. Great product though.

qryn is solid and very affordable because you self-host. it supports DD vectors out of the box. /dev/null is always a strong contender too.

Thanks for mentioning qryn! We are a non-corporate alternative and feature full ingestion compatibility with DataDog (including Cloudflare emitters, etc), Loki, Prometheus, Tempo, Elastic & others for both on-prem (https://qryn.dev) and Cloud (https://qryn.cloud) deployments, without the killer price tag.

Note: in qryn s3/r2 are as close to /dev/null as it gets!

Re: A cryptocurrency company had a $65M bill, per Datadog’s Q1 earnings call

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Post by panda888888 »

Why does the tweet author think this is wild? Sure, 65 million is a lot, but plenty of companies pay large bills for their major cloud services (especially AWS/Azure and the like).

I'm not an expert on monitoring/observability/telemetry etc, nor an expert on Datadog pricing/billing, but paying a lot of money for major infrastructure components doesn't surprise me.

Re: A cryptocurrency company had a $65M bill, per Datadog’s Q1 earnings call

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Post by surgical_fire »

dalyons wrote: post #10
jongjong wrote: post #6

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Kubernetes with Graphana is free. The combo provides logging, performance stats and graphs and lets you auto-scale based on usage. Unfortunately, avoiding insanely costly SaaS solutions requires engineers to plan ahead and design the entire stack on top of certain open source solutions. I suspect that many engineers today receive kickbacks from SaaS providers to lock-in their employers. Employers are none the wiser a…

> Unfortunately, I suspect that many engineers today receive kickbacks from SaaS providers to lock-in their employers. Cmon man, really? Drop the conspiracy theories. I’ve personally been the guy advocating for datadog at 4 startups. Mainly because of opportunity cost - we have 10-100 engineers, I want them building product not figuring out how to deploy a whole ecosystem of observability tools. IF we get big let’s r…

> we have 10-100 engineers, I want them building product not figuring out how to deploy a whole ecosystem of observability tools. IF we get big let’s reevaluate…

Moving away from those SaaS tools can be extremely painful and a lot more costly due to vendor lock in. In practice, typically, this "let's reevaluate" time never happens.

On the other hand, I don't really care. I normally suggest open source tools, but if people want to throw money at some vendor, fine by me.

Re: A cryptocurrency company had a $65M bill, per Datadog’s Q1 earnings call

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Post by Ekaros »

himlion wrote: post #32
brink wrote: post #29

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yup, they did that to our team too. Calling my coworker during the evening, emailing me and messaging me on LinkedIn at the same time. When I said "no thanks" they replied with a message to set up a meeting. Went from a maybe someday to a never real quick. They really need to rethink their marketing.

I wonder if that kind of marketing is actually quite successful. You'd think they wouldn't risk their reputation otherwise right?

You can probably pervert those metrics to something that looks good in some slide decks. While actually destroying the image with most potential customers.
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