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Apple’s Unionized Store Wants to Start Accepting Tips from Customers

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Re: Apple’s Unionized Store Wants to Start Accepting Tips from Customers

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Post by arghnoname »

monero-xmr wrote: post #23
no_wizard wrote: post #16

I am shocked a labor union is okay with tipping as a mechanism of compensation. Its antithetical to their own goals usually, let alone Apple is not going to take kind to this. Tipping is out of control as it is, at least in the US. Where does it stop I have to wonder. Lets just keep the fight about fair wages, benefits and working conditions first and foremost. This feels like its waiting for public backlash

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The person you are replying to said neither of these things. Unions, like most human institutions, have their pros and cons. They generally try to pursue the interests of their members, but their members are human and as humans, sometimes things go sideways or ultimately are self-destructive.

Unions on balance do generally improve the lives of their members, but only an idiot would unconditionally approve of everything they do.

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Post by [deleted] »

Apocryphon wrote: post #29

Title is clickbait, which this entire thread has fallen for. Tipping is mentioned in two paragraphs out of an entire article worth of eminently reasonable requests and terms. Who knows what the actual context is. Maybe this was a half-hearted idea that was tossed into a long list. Bloomberg just chose to zero in on it as a title to make the union seem deranged.

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Re: Apple’s Unionized Store Wants to Start Accepting Tips from Customers

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Post by Apocryphon »

bombcar wrote: post #9

This is so ridiculous that I assume it is intentional sabotage. Isn't the whole idea behind unionization that we can get beyond tipping? https://archive.ph/v1tpo >In addition to an overall raise, representatives from the store are asking Apple for higher pay over a larger slate of holidays, including the day after Thanksgiving. The union is also seeking to expand vacation pay and available time off based on years of…

Americans love pets, to the point of not getting evacuated from Hurricane Katrina when ordered to leave their pets behind. This trend has only compounded in recent decades, with the mainstreaming of emotional support animals and the like. So if bereavement can apply to non-kin friends, pets are arguably not a far stretch behind. Not to mention pets are often a substitue for children, as can be seen in cities like San Francisco.

Re: Apple’s Unionized Store Wants to Start Accepting Tips from Customers

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Post by gautamdivgi »

Apocryphon wrote: post #36

Title is clickbait, which this entire thread has fallen for. Tipping is mentioned in two paragraphs out of an entire article worth of eminently reasonable requests and terms. Who knows what the actual context is. Maybe this was a half-hearted idea that was tossed into a long list. Bloomberg just chose to zero in on it as a title to make the union seem deranged. > The workers’ negotiators also want Apple to adopt a ti…

Why is tipping needed for a union negotiated salary?

Ideally we need to move away from tipping. It’s like a hidden tax everyone needs to pay. They’re supposed to be union so they can negotiate a fair wage. I do not like this descent into the tipping space.

Re: Apple’s Unionized Store Wants to Start Accepting Tips from Customers

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Post by Workaccount2 »

If you have never worked a tipped job, let me clue you into something:

You make substantially more than other jobs of the same skill level. I'm not talking edge cases like waffle house in rural Arkansas, if you work for tips somewhere where people are, you are going to be making a killing relative to other work.

This is why you get talking out of both sides of tipped workers mouths. Tips are perpetually terrible and not enough, while switching to regular hourly pay is a hard no. Of course these workers want tips, they probably envision getting tipped $200 for picking the $1000 iPhone off the shelf. Delusional.

Re: Apple’s Unionized Store Wants to Start Accepting Tips from Customers

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Post by a13o »

This is a great negotiation tactic by the union. Tipping would be anti-thematic to the whole Star Trek utopia vibe the Apple Store is going for. They of course know that, so asking Apple for this opens a door on deeper salary negotiations. It also makes great clickbait!

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Post by compiler-guy »

Apocryphon wrote: post #36

Title is clickbait, which this entire thread has fallen for. Tipping is mentioned in two paragraphs out of an entire article worth of eminently reasonable requests and terms. Who knows what the actual context is. Maybe this was a half-hearted idea that was tossed into a long list. Bloomberg just chose to zero in on it as a title to make the union seem deranged. > The workers’ negotiators also want Apple to adopt a ti…

If the union wants to be taken seriously, then it needs to make serious proposals.

The rest of the proposal is dog-bites-man, which isn't really news. This is so far out in left field that of course it is news. It may be a small piece of the proposal, and perhaps even a negotiating tactic, but it makes the union look unreasonable and impossibly out of touch.

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Post by makestuff »

bombcar wrote: post #9

This is so ridiculous that I assume it is intentional sabotage. Isn't the whole idea behind unionization that we can get beyond tipping? https://archive.ph/v1tpo >In addition to an overall raise, representatives from the store are asking Apple for higher pay over a larger slate of holidays, including the day after Thanksgiving. The union is also seeking to expand vacation pay and available time off based on years of…

"Isn't the whole idea behind unionization that we can get beyond tipping?"

Every time this comes up on Reddit people in the food service industry say they do not want to get rid of tips.

Re: Apple’s Unionized Store Wants to Start Accepting Tips from Customers

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Post by bombcar »

Apocryphon wrote: post #29

Title is clickbait, which this entire thread has fallen for. Tipping is mentioned in two paragraphs out of an entire article worth of eminently reasonable requests and terms. Who knows what the actual context is. Maybe this was a half-hearted idea that was tossed into a long list. Bloomberg just chose to zero in on it as a title to make the union seem deranged.

I'm not so sure, some of these things seem unreasonable:

>And it wants to extend paid bereavement leave from 10 days per occurrence to a maximum of 45 days a year and for the policy to include pets and close friends.

>Tipping

>Finally, the union is asking Apple to pay $1 an hour more to employees who become first-aid certified, and to provide as many as 34 weeks of severance pay in the event of a layoff.

I get the idea of asking for everything as a starting point, but some of these are just wow.

Re: Apple’s Unionized Store Wants to Start Accepting Tips from Customers

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Post by pb7 »

s17n wrote: post #38
seattle_spring wrote: post #2

Fuck that. Tipping culture is ridiculous as it is. No way in hell someone deserves a tip showing you the capabilities of an iphone. Especially not with the current POS systems that ask for a minimum of 20%.

Just don’t tip, problem solved. (Obviously you have to tip in restaurants to not be a monster, but everywhere else just don’t do it. And if you want to not tip waiters… the world needs monsters sometimes.)

Only a matter of time before people think you're a monster for not tipping 20% on your iPhone too.
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