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Google engineer jumps to death in NYC, second worker suicide in months

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Re: Google engineer jumps to death in NYC, second worker suicide in months

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Interesting. Google and USPS are among the most trusted organizations in the US. They also both have a reputation for being good to work at for different socioeconomic classes. The former has some rate of people killing themselves and the latter has some rate of people killing others to the degree that they're now slang for flipping your shit.

I wonder what the difference is.

Re: Google engineer jumps to death in NYC, second worker suicide in months

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Without an understanding of their motive, I think tying "google" to a person's mental health crisis is clickbait. Folks dealing with mental health issues might end their lives for a variety of factors. This is very sad to hear, but the headline (and article) that attempts to connect an employer to a person's death without any evidence is unfair. Note: I do not work for Google.

Well if it was a google employee who committed suicide at home, or off of the various many other places you could chose to kill yourself in Manhattan, I'd generally agree. This person however, jumped off their employers office building.

there’s no indication it was an intentional jump. the article says no note or video and that they found handprints, meaning at some point this person was hanging on a ledge.

so it is misleading to say he “jumped” if it ends up being an accidental fall.

there’s plenty of people who climb ledges in NYC to take photos at night, so would not be surprised if this ends up being entirely accidental as a result of trying to take photos

Re: Google engineer jumps to death in NYC, second worker suicide in months

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An employee of Google who jumped from the Google office is a pretty obvious connection. Don't really see how this is clickbait.

Google employs 200,000 people. Suicide rate in the US is ~13 per 100,000 per year. This means there is an expected base rate of Google employees committing suicide per year regardless of working conditions that is likely higher than just 2. Maybe there is a real issue but two suicides within such large number of employees isn’t statistically significant. EDIT: I added "statistically" in the last sentence to clarify m…

If you're seriously considering suicide, why would you bother going in to work, and then commit suicide in your place of work (your company's HQ, no less), if not to make a statement of some sort?

Re: Google engineer jumps to death in NYC, second worker suicide in months

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Google employs 200,000 people. Suicide rate in the US is ~13 per 100,000 per year. This means there is an expected base rate of Google employees committing suicide per year regardless of working conditions that is likely higher than just 2. Maybe there is a real issue but two suicides within such large number of employees isn’t statistically significant. EDIT: I added "statistically" in the last sentence to clarify m…

Suicide is tragic regardless of the circumstances, and it's a really bad take to try to minimize this because it's not statistically "significant" or "clickbait".

They weren't "minimizing." The point is that this article is trying to create a "Googlers are killing themselves" narrative, which is unwarranted.

Re: Google engineer jumps to death in NYC, second worker suicide in months

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Google employs 200,000 people. Suicide rate in the US is ~13 per 100,000 per year. This means there is an expected base rate of Google employees committing suicide per year regardless of working conditions that is likely higher than just 2. Maybe there is a real issue but two suicides within such large number of employees isn’t statistically significant. EDIT: I added "statistically" in the last sentence to clarify m…

Bad take

"Significant" here meant "worth of a national news article."

It's clear that the journalist is crafting a "Why are Googlers killing themselves?" narrative.

Re: Google engineer jumps to death in NYC, second worker suicide in months

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This is a tangent, but it reminds me of the plot of The Three Body Problem. The story begins with a series of suicides from top physics researchers because physics just stops working for some mysterious reason which is revealed later in the book. I loved that series of books and this highlights why I like it so much. It's an "optimistic" view of humanity. People are serious in the book so its entirely plausible that…

> It's really a breath of fresh air compared to a lot of sci-fi that makes humans out to be idiots or malevolent.

Did we read the same book? A huge portion was devoted to the cultural revolution, and it definitely made humans look pretty "malevolent" there. I don't think the book really tries to be optimistic, just realistic, which means it calls out a lot of good and bad.

Re: Google engineer jumps to death in NYC, second worker suicide in months

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

The article says no note, no video, and they found handprints. This was nearly midnight at an outdoor terrace in the office. I guess I don’t see how anyone can say he “jumped” on purpose yet when at some point he must’ve been hanging which could have been a result of tripping on something.

I worked somewhere in midtown. We had access to a small roof above the main terrace. We were up there drinking after a party at 2 AM, sitting on the wall 8 stories up. I'm thinking don't fuck up because if you lean back, there's nothing between you and Sixth Avenue. This is one of my "I could have died" moments.

Yes could have been a drunken fall, or someone who climbed up a ledge to try to take some nighttime photos and tripped which I’ve seen plenty of times on social media especially in NYC.

Re: Google engineer jumps to death in NYC, second worker suicide in months

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RIP. I hope it's not related to the work env...

Full back to the office? I am experiencing it right now and honestly hate it. After work in quiet room alone for couple years I am forced to sit with another 11 individuals in open office. My mental state is really bad. There is only one solution - find new job. I even don’t care anymore about my stocks vesting in autumn.

Poor taste to use this as a platform for your back to office complaints.

Re: Google engineer jumps to death in NYC, second worker suicide in months

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This is a tangent, but it reminds me of the plot of The Three Body Problem. The story begins with a series of suicides from top physics researchers because physics just stops working for some mysterious reason which is revealed later in the book. I loved that series of books and this highlights why I like it so much. It's an "optimistic" view of humanity. People are serious in the book so its entirely plausible that…

> I don't know if it has to do with the book being from a Chinese author

The "knowledge being suppressed by semi-omnipotent aliens" plot is a fairly heavy analogy with the Cultural Revolution and its horrors in suppressing truth and inquiry. The book even mentions it near the start in case you were to miss it. In that context the suicides are probably direct analogies for those who killed themselves in despair during that time.

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