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Re: Live Starlink Satellite and Coverage Map

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Post by db48x »

ghaff wrote: post #136
7952 wrote: post #116

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But it doesn't necessarily need high subscriber rates in any one place to make lots of money. If you just focus on those high population areas, 1.7 billion people live in cities. If you can sell to a few in a thousand then you will have several million subscribers across the world and they will likely be wealthier people. And then there are cruise ships, airliners, oil rigs, ski chalets, military compounds, backhauli…

Furthermore, a lot of people seem to think the world is divided into Manhattans and log cabins in the woods someplace. In fact, a huge number in the US and presumably elsewhere live nearby small cities etc., have electricity and maybe other utilities, but don't have what most people would consider decent Internet access.

Yea, there are hundreds of thousands of tiny tiny towns all across the US with terrible internet service. You could run a perfectly good ISP for a village of a few hundred people off of one Starlink dish.

Re: Live Starlink Satellite and Coverage Map

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Post by Tepix »

godelski wrote: post #68
Veedrac wrote: post #61

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Space is not really 3d in the intuitive sense from a packing perspective, because satellites take up orbits rather than stationary points and orbits don't pack densely. It's more like an embedded 2d space, the intuition for that being that a ring, think Saturn's, is 2d and intersects any orbit.

Bullshit. Space is definitely 3D and has 3D packing. Starlink is at about 550km. That has an orbital period of 1.5917hrs. Satellites are 7m (as suggested above, but this sounds large). So let's space the next group by 10km. Now the orbital period is 1.5952hrs. We have to go to 580km (+30km) to get to 1.6hrs, which is a difference of 37 seconds. So you got 60km (520km-580km) where you have an error rate of under 1% (0…

You could just have left out the word bullshit, you know?

Re: Live Starlink Satellite and Coverage Map

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Post by evandale »

crispinb wrote: post #218
evandale wrote: post #195

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At a certain point the only way to get through to people is to respond in a way that matches their maturity level. When people are saying ridiculous things like "You will be as insouciant, and as clueless, when your much-admired billionaire masters destroy the last remaining living ecosystem" about satellites in LEO you're not dealing with a person with adult emotions. For one, the last time I checked LEO isn't an ec…

If it's "mature" to disregard basic values, then we're stuffed. Attitudes and values cluster. People who care about night skies also care about ecosystems. Denatured, psychologically-damaged people who value neither, destroy both. There is no distinction between "nature" and anything else. There is only the real physical world.

> There is no distinction between "nature" and anything else.

Yet here you are calling us "denatured, psychologically damaged people."

Is that not you making a distinction between us and nature? What's so bad about being denatured if there's no distinction between nature and everything else? You can't be denatured if you _are_ nature, it's contradictory.

What exactly is your view here?

Re: Live Starlink Satellite and Coverage Map

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Post by SideburnsOfDoom »

hungryforcodes wrote: post #205
caskstrength wrote: post #185

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> Are we just polluting LEO for the sake of a handful of Americans? I feel like in the US it's not even widely used... It is quite popular in Ukraine. Granted, Ukraine is neither in Asia nor in Africa.

True, although their circumstances now might be quite exceptional?

> their circumstances now might be quite exceptional

They might be.

Also, even if "the house is on fire" might be quite exceptional circumstances, this is not an argument against fire brigades.

Re: Live Starlink Satellite and Coverage Map

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mlindner wrote: post #112
Thlom wrote: post #108

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I doubt it. The ongoing operational costs of a mega constellation like this is huge and I doubt they will be able to sell their services to maritime, aviation and military sectors at a much higher price than existing operators. They will also meet hefty competition the next few years from Amazon Kuiper, Oneweb and I assume existing operators are scrambling to meet the competition. Interesting times.

They already sell it to maritime and aviation sectors at significantly less than existing operators, though significantly more than the regular service.

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