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Re: GitHub is down

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Post by capableweb »

joshmanders wrote: post #76
capableweb wrote: post #66

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> It can achieve better uptime, if you ignore the downtime for upgrades, the downtime for configuration errors, the downtime when the disk fills up... Besides the last one, the others you can schedule when developers are not actually working on something, or give a headsup so developers can be prepared in case of errors. In the case of GitHub, Microsoft deploys changes whenever they want, whenever you want it or not.

> In the case of GitHub, Microsoft deploys changes whenever they want, whenever you want it or not. That's because GitHub is used by millions of people every day all over the world. Business hours for them are around the clock. No matter when they update, if it breaks something, many people will hear about it regardless of when the break was deployed.

Yeah, this is exactly my point, their needs don't overlap with your needs, hence sometimes it's better to self-host, because then it's 100% your needs that gets taken care of.

Re: GitHub is down

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Post by capableweb »

joshmanders wrote: post #71
doodlesdev wrote: post #62

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Curiosity: Not everyone in Hacker News has the same opinions.

Yet in every thread on HN when a service has an outage, the same opinion is spewed. I know the comments of these posts before I even open them. HN is an echo chamber of predictability.

That you keep opening the discussion page and even participate might say more about you than HN :)

Re: GitHub is down

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Post by capableweb »

kej wrote: post #57
dom96 wrote: post #42

The fact that GitHub being down can have such an impact means that Git’s decentralised features don’t go far enough. Why aren’t issues, PRs and all these other little things we depend on also stored in a git repo? Or something similar that can withstand GitHub being down. I set aside time today to go through my notifications and I can’t because of this. Notifications are trickier to decentralise but still, ugh.

"Everything goes in the repo" is one of the main features of the Fossil [0] SCM which is built and used by the SQLite team. It's a neat idea and I wish something like that had caught on. [0] https://www.fossil-scm.org/

It's not too late! At one point, git was the new kid on the block while everyone else was using something else (or copy-pasting directories/zip files for versioning).

All it takes is more people using it, and people here on HN are more suitable than others to start playing around and build their projects with it.

Re: GitHub is down

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Post by capableweb »

Kwpolska wrote: post #69
tcoff91 wrote: post #43

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Those who use it by emailing patches around aren't affected, ala the linux kernel.

They aren’t affected until the mailing list servers go down.

Couldn't find any stats online about it, but how often does the servers for the mailing daemons for the linux mailing list go down?

Re: GitHub is down

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Post by capableweb »

diroussel wrote: post #68
Domenic_S wrote: post #52

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heh, this was my argument back in like 2009 when everyone was all, "DECENTRALIZED!! We have to take months to migrate from SVN to git cause DECENTRALIZED!! You don't one a single point of failure do you?!" all I could say was, uhhhh github is a single point of failure. Unless you're mailing diffs around like Linus (which nobody I knew did), it's 6 of one, half-dozen of the other. there are lots of great things about…

With git I can create, edit and merge branches locally. If GitHub is down I can push to another remote I can send diffs. I can calmly carry on working until GitHub is back. If GitHub is down too much I can migrate to gitlab or gitea. I would say the decentralised features of git work for me. And they are no overblown.

Sadly, people seem to push their entire development flows into GitHub Actions, so things like deployments happens on GitHub's servers, and then their servers go down and you suddenly can't deploy anymore... Or writing their documentation via GitHub issues/PR descriptions/comments and now you cannot access that either...

Re: GitHub is down

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Post by geephroh »

paulddraper wrote: post #47
SketchySeaBeast wrote: post #8

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> Status Page: https://www.githubstatus.com/ -- actually shows red -- it was almost updated as fast as HN. I think we should applaud this when it actually happens. Far too many services are terrible for this. While I'd rather the service not be down, it makes me feel a bit better if they don't lie about it.

In a world of green, an accurate status page is a radical act.

I'd buy this t-shirt

Re: GitHub is down

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Post by bogantech »

BossingAround wrote: post #77
bogantech wrote: post #44

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Our on-prem GH enterprise hasn't gone down in the last year. Additionally any potentially disruptive work like upgrades etc can be scheduled outside of business hours so that they won't impact users

In general, paying GH tends to be much cheaper than employing a team of SREs that'll keep your on-prem Git instance up and running 24/7 (esp. including things like backups, disaster recovery, and similar good practices necessary for any enterprise-ready SaaS). Something tells me that if you can schedule upgrades "outside of business hours", your scale is small (because in a global company, it's always "business hours…

You don't employ a team of SRE's with the sole day-job of git maintenance though, your existing SRE/sysadmin team manages it.

And any large business will already be doing Backups, DR etc for their existing systems.

Re: GitHub is down

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Post by Reubachi »

andrewfromx wrote: post #12
edgyquant wrote: post #7

Wonder why mine[1] got marked as a duplicate when it was posted first? 1. https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=35817640

so unfair. This happens to me too sometimes. It's like not a perfect system.

While I understand where you as a person are coming from, and my below thought is a tangent, I think this sentiment is like the origin story of editorialized headlines.

If one gets dopamine/validation/click thru revenue from others consuming/clicking on media one shared,and further feel "unfairly gamed" when someone else gets that payout, it's a short time before one starts subconsciously appealing to the human lizard brain and sensationalizing media.

Re: GitHub is down

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Post by shrimp_emoji »

dom96 wrote: post #42

The fact that GitHub being down can have such an impact means that Git’s decentralised features don’t go far enough. Why aren’t issues, PRs and all these other little things we depend on also stored in a git repo? Or something similar that can withstand GitHub being down. I set aside time today to go through my notifications and I can’t because of this. Notifications are trickier to decentralise but still, ugh.

> The fact that GitHub being down can have such an impact means that Git’s decentralised features don’t go far enough.

This is like blaming Bitcoin for your exchange collapsing. :p

The point has been missed hardcore.

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