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Facebook has not been doing enough to comply with a 2020 privacy order: FTC

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Re: Facebook has not been doing enough to comply with a 2020 privacy order: FTC

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Post by nuclearnice1 »

simultsop wrote: post #187
markx2 wrote: post #166

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It was, but they could not then move fast enough to escape the law.

But many of us, enjoy the benefits their agility gave birth to. Let's hope they learned lessons and will be improving their ways. I guess no one plans to get in trouble at first. Consequences become highest price for innovation. Highlighting failures and calling for punishment constantly would stop everyone trying to innovate.

I like your optimism.

The article points out they were previously hit a few privacy issues. There was an FTC order in 2012 which the FTC claimed Facebook violated with in months. So they got a 2019 order encouraging them to follow the 2012 order. Now this order encourages them to follow the 2019 and 2012 orders.

My personal view is these enforcements would be more effective if they hit the management of the corporations rather than the shareholders.

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Post by alpaca128 »

skizm wrote: post #97
baggachipz wrote: post #66

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> I think deliberately manipulating kids is heinous Religion has entered the chat.

I'm no fan of organized Religion, but I think there is a clear distinction here. Religion is opt-in (by the parents) where most advertising to kids isn't. You could argue that parents could take away their access to [phone|youtube|instagram|etc.], but kids will get access at school, or through their friends one way or another. The internet is too ubiquitous at this point to actually opt-out.

Religion isn't opt-in where I live, it's a mandatory part of the school system for every student of any background, students can only opt out once they are 18 and basically finished with school anyway. I'd understand if it was some ethics class that in part educates about religion, but in elementary to middle school it's 100% Jesus and angel stories. Separation of church and state my ass.

Re: Facebook has not been doing enough to comply with a 2020 privacy order: FTC

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Post by bombcar »

smolder wrote: post #179
bombcar wrote: post #129

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I noticed a Youtube ad on a kids video was literally a 44 minute Transformer cartoon. If you didn't hit skip, it would play for 44 minutes. Not sure what I feel about it.

How is that possible? Don't long ads cost the advertiser more? It doesn't seem reasonable that you could launch someone into a 44 minute tangent of your choosing.

They're skippable; I don't know the YouTube costing, but I presume they're not much more expensive (because everyone skips) - the real expensive rolls are the shorter non-skippable ones.

I've mostly seen them on kids shows (kids are unlikely to skip an ad at all anyway, though they should probably be taught how to) but one or two on other shows. There was a five? ten? minute chick-fil-a ad over Christmas if I remember correctly, about a girl and her grandfather making shoes or something.

Re: Facebook has not been doing enough to comply with a 2020 privacy order: FTC

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Post by saurik »

criddell wrote: post #119
jjulius wrote: post #100

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The spokesperson is the voice of the company, what they say is supposed to represent the opinion of the company as a whole.

I bet the rank and file are not enraged by this and I would guess that the majority probably agree that Meta should not exploit children.

Yet they continue to work there and contribute to the codebase which does such, so we should at least infer that they believe it is OK even if they might not think it is great (and if they don't want us to infer such they should either stop doing it or, at very minimum, speak out against it).

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Post by freedomben »

judge2020 wrote: post #172
traceroute66 wrote: post #67

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> If you're pissing off Facebook, you're probably doing something right. ^^ THIS ! I remember when Apple hardened iOS so that Facebook & co. could no longer mis-use the system do do evil things such as silently monitor pasteboard contents. Facebook took out enormous billboard ads at the time in major cities on which they exercised their tiny woe-is-me violin, trying to pretend Apple was the evil one.

But obviously we should allow Facebook to sideload their own app for the freedom of users.

This comment should probably be included in the dictionary as an example under "strawman fallacy"

Who is arguing that facebook should be able to sideload their own app onto users iphones?

That's the antithesis of what user freedom advocates argue for. The argument is "it's my device, I should be able to run what I want on it." Not, "anybody should be able to do whatever they want on my device." The latter is more an argument for Apple's status quo where they have full control of the device (that they ostensibly no longer own) and the user does not.

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Post by SoftTalker »

0xB31B1B wrote: post #113
zeroonetwothree wrote: post #98

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I can’t really think of harms I suffered as a child from watching ads. It probably made me want to buy more stuff but since I was a kid I had to ask my parents and they usually said no. I was slightly sad but then I got over it. So if anything it probably taught me to be a more discerning consumer that wouldn’t buy anything just because of an ad. If we hide the real world from children too much then how do we expect…

In the US, kids are bombarded with ads for sugary cereals and candy and we have a huge childhood obesity problem.

Are the kids the ones buying the cereal and candy?

I got cornflakes, oatmeal, etc. If I wanted sweet, I got a few berries thrown in. Up to the point that the kids start earning their own money, parents decide what they eat.

Re: Facebook has not been doing enough to comply with a 2020 privacy order: FTC

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Post by simultsop »

nuclearnice1 wrote: post #221
simultsop wrote: post #187

Earlier quoted context omitted.

But many of us, enjoy the benefits their agility gave birth to. Let's hope they learned lessons and will be improving their ways. I guess no one plans to get in trouble at first. Consequences become highest price for innovation. Highlighting failures and calling for punishment constantly would stop everyone trying to innovate.

I like your optimism. The article points out they were previously hit a few privacy issues. There was an FTC order in 2012 which the FTC claimed Facebook violated with in months. So they got a 2019 order encouraging them to follow the 2012 order. Now this order encourages them to follow the 2019 and 2012 orders. My personal view is these enforcements would be more effective if they hit the management of the corporati…

It is just that even if you got an idea nowdays you will be dumping it because of all what is going on around the world. I'm not a fan of data-selling-business. I do like how OSS is being governed, especially Vue.js, Webpack's history is also brilliant. I guess the layer that handles data sharing between platforms needs a ground framework to solve privacy problems forever.

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Post by JohnMakin »

Nextgrid wrote: post #133
zeroonetwothree wrote: post #108

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He isn’t forcing you to use Facebook. If you go into a store and they have a security camera that records you is that also violating your privacy? Not saying everything FB does is ok but I think we are going too crazy with the government intervention. I don’t exactly see that FB was committing deliberate fraud based on this latest report (but a lot is redacted). It seems more like there were just some bugs? As a dev…

Facebook stalks you regardless of whether you personally use it.

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