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Facebook has not been doing enough to comply with a 2020 privacy order: FTC

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Re: Facebook has not been doing enough to comply with a 2020 privacy order: FTC

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Post by denton-scratch »

ethbr0 wrote: post #43
pdimitar wrote: post #14

Earlier quoted context omitted.

...Wait, so you thought there was ever a point when "good for Facebook" == "good for society"? IMO "bad for Facebook" ~= "good for society" has always been true. It's not a "sad place to be as community", they are a corp and their bait-and-switch was expected ever since they got created, at least from the people who don't idolize corporations that is. It was extremely obvious they'll position themselves as helpful, p…

I'd say Facebook was on-the-whole good when it was limited to .edu users. It had a purpose, it solved it better than previous options, and (critically!) it had a ceiling on total addressable userbase. Once it metastisized into "extract maximum revenue from maximum number of people," I think its soul was lost to greed.

> Facebook was on-the-whole good when it was limited to .edu users.

You mean, when it was a sort of amihotornot for Harvard students?

Re: Facebook has not been doing enough to comply with a 2020 privacy order: FTC

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Post by Taywee »

nightowl_games wrote: post #79
medler wrote: post #55

It is insane to me that we allow any advertising to young children at all, whether online, on TV, or anywhere else. I think deliberately manipulating kids is heinous and I genuinely don’t understand why this isn’t the consensus opinion.

"Deliberately manipulating" is a biased term that negatively taints your statement. With the bias removed, the statement's ambiguity is revealed. You must unpack what you mean by "deliberately manipulating". For example, teaching and parenting is a form of deliberately manipulating. Picking my kid up when he's about to fall down a slide is deliberately manipulating. Handing him a banana is deliberately manipulating.…

Correct. But I think the intention is conveyed in the wording itself. When somebody says "deliberately manipulating", you can fill in the extra "for one's own benefit and with no regard to the well-being of the manipulated party" automatically.

Re: Facebook has not been doing enough to comply with a 2020 privacy order: FTC

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Post by SuperCuber »

traceroute66 wrote: post #61
jason-phillips wrote: post #32

Earlier quoted context omitted.

In practical terms, Mark is a target. You're not.

> Mark is a target. You're not. Define the word "target". I would argue that for the likes of Facebook and Google, they consider anyone fair game. Of course they would never use the word "target", but ...

I work in adtech. Terms like "Targetted advertising" and "Retargeting" are very common.

Re: Facebook has not been doing enough to comply with a 2020 privacy order: FTC

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Post by denton-scratch »

zeroonetwothree wrote: post #98
medler wrote: post #55

It is insane to me that we allow any advertising to young children at all, whether online, on TV, or anywhere else. I think deliberately manipulating kids is heinous and I genuinely don’t understand why this isn’t the consensus opinion.

I can’t really think of harms I suffered as a child from watching ads. It probably made me want to buy more stuff but since I was a kid I had to ask my parents and they usually said no. I was slightly sad but then I got over it. So if anything it probably taught me to be a more discerning consumer that wouldn’t buy anything just because of an ad. If we hide the real world from children too much then how do we expect…

> I can’t really think of harms I suffered as a child from watching ads.

Nor me. But in those days, they couldn't push cigarettes, booze and gambling at us.

Re: Facebook has not been doing enough to comply with a 2020 privacy order: FTC

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Post by avgDev »

criddell wrote: post #119
jjulius wrote: post #100

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The spokesperson is the voice of the company, what they say is supposed to represent the opinion of the company as a whole.

I bet the rank and file are not enraged by this and I would guess that the majority probably agree that Meta should not exploit children.

They will be enraged when Meta needs to cut jobs due to loss of revenue.

Re: Facebook has not been doing enough to comply with a 2020 privacy order: FTC

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Post by Veedrac »

Truly disgusting to allow an under-13 to talk to an unapproved friend.

Companies were never meant to have incentives to provide products to such people and not their guardians. There is a reason we make it illegal for that underclass to own or earn capital, and the ability for companies to circumvent this and provide services anyway through indirect revenue is unpalatable. Cutting that off is necessary, as any good-thinking small-person-owner will know.

It's a slippery slope we have to cut down on now, lest small people start expecting to go outside without parental overseers or questioning their owners' authority.

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