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Facebook has not been doing enough to comply with a 2020 privacy order: FTC

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Re: Facebook has not been doing enough to comply with a 2020 privacy order: FTC

#91
Not to defend Facebook, but this headline is misleading.

FTC proposes banning Facebook from launching any new products, which is a huge deal. Also from monetizing youth data, which is likely not a serious revenue stream.

It’s clickbait to claim it’s the youth part that made company furious, no matter what you think about Facebook.

Re: Facebook has not been doing enough to comply with a 2020 privacy order: FTC

#92
post #76

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Proposing is an action. Being furious is a state of emotion. Corporations can act through their agents. Corporations cannot feel their agents’ emotions because they are unable to feel.

PR can express emotion via press releases and interviews on behalf of the company. I would say it's just a way to say the board of directors is furious. Not that the company is sentient, and I don't think anyone thinks companies are sentient.

Has PR expressed something to indicate board member fury?

Re: Facebook has not been doing enough to comply with a 2020 privacy order: FTC

#93

How can a corporation be furious? After reading the article, they don't say anything about the company or people inside the company being furious. The closest thing I could find is that a Meta spokesperson said they plan to fight it vigorously and expect to win. Maybe the headline should be "Meta opposed to proposed FTC ban on monetizing youth data".

A rational person could interpret these spokesperson replies as being "furious" (but I agree that the headline is hyperbole)

> A Meta spokesperson told Ars that the FTC's proposed changes are "a political stunt," saying that the FTC gave Meta "no opportunity to discuss this new, totally unprecedented theory." Meta considers the FTC's proposed changes to the privacy order "a new low."

Re: Facebook has not been doing enough to comply with a 2020 privacy order: FTC

#94

How can a corporation be furious? After reading the article, they don't say anything about the company or people inside the company being furious. The closest thing I could find is that a Meta spokesperson said they plan to fight it vigorously and expect to win. Maybe the headline should be "Meta opposed to proposed FTC ban on monetizing youth data".

>How can a corporation be furious? After reading the article, they don't say anything about the company or people inside the company being furious. The closest thing I could find is that a Meta spokesperson said they plan to fight it vigorously and expect to win.

To be fair, the spokesperson's tone, and the insistence that they'll be fighting, does make them sound pretty pissed off.

Re: Facebook has not been doing enough to comply with a 2020 privacy order: FTC

#95
post #29

I would caution against believing “the enemy of my enemy is my friend” when that would make the government your friend. Yes, Facebook has been awful and done great harm in some ways, but crucially it is not the case that Facebook was only able to do such harm because the FTC lacked the ability to unilaterally and without oversight deploy extreme powers like “you may not monetize this data” or “you may not release fea…

I am very, very happy the FTC has tools to ensure fair business competition and the protection of US consumers. It has been woefully absent from regulating data monetization for three decades to the point that any regulation seems like deploying extreme powers to the data-addicted.

Re: Facebook has not been doing enough to comply with a 2020 privacy order: FTC

#96
post #94

How can a corporation be furious? After reading the article, they don't say anything about the company or people inside the company being furious. The closest thing I could find is that a Meta spokesperson said they plan to fight it vigorously and expect to win. Maybe the headline should be "Meta opposed to proposed FTC ban on monetizing youth data".

>How can a corporation be furious? After reading the article, they don't say anything about the company or people inside the company being furious. The closest thing I could find is that a Meta spokesperson said they plan to fight it vigorously and expect to win. To be fair, the spokesperson's tone, and the insistence that they'll be fighting, does make them sound pretty pissed off.

So how about, Facebook spokesperson furious...

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#97
post #55

It is insane to me that we allow any advertising to young children at all, whether online, on TV, or anywhere else. I think deliberately manipulating kids is heinous and I genuinely don’t understand why this isn’t the consensus opinion.

> I think deliberately manipulating kids is heinous Religion has entered the chat.

I'm no fan of organized Religion, but I think there is a clear distinction here. Religion is opt-in (by the parents) where most advertising to kids isn't. You could argue that parents could take away their access to [phone|youtube|instagram|etc.], but kids will get access at school, or through their friends one way or another. The internet is too ubiquitous at this point to actually opt-out.

Re: Facebook has not been doing enough to comply with a 2020 privacy order: FTC

#98
post #55

It is insane to me that we allow any advertising to young children at all, whether online, on TV, or anywhere else. I think deliberately manipulating kids is heinous and I genuinely don’t understand why this isn’t the consensus opinion.

I can’t really think of harms I suffered as a child from watching ads. It probably made me want to buy more stuff but since I was a kid I had to ask my parents and they usually said no. I was slightly sad but then I got over it. So if anything it probably taught me to be a more discerning consumer that wouldn’t buy anything just because of an ad.

If we hide the real world from children too much then how do we expect them to learn to deal with it all at once? They will turn 18, get a credit card, and be bombarded with ads they haven’t learned to control.

Unless you want to argue that ads shouldn’t be shown to adults either (which has major free speech issues) I think it’s better for kids to learn to deal with them responsibly.

Re: Facebook has not been doing enough to comply with a 2020 privacy order: FTC

#99

How can a corporation be furious? After reading the article, they don't say anything about the company or people inside the company being furious. The closest thing I could find is that a Meta spokesperson said they plan to fight it vigorously and expect to win. Maybe the headline should be "Meta opposed to proposed FTC ban on monetizing youth data".

Yeah … the headline is sensationalist for sure.

Re: Facebook has not been doing enough to comply with a 2020 privacy order: FTC

#100
post #94

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>How can a corporation be furious? After reading the article, they don't say anything about the company or people inside the company being furious. The closest thing I could find is that a Meta spokesperson said they plan to fight it vigorously and expect to win. To be fair, the spokesperson's tone, and the insistence that they'll be fighting, does make them sound pretty pissed off.

So how about, Facebook spokesperson furious...

The spokesperson is the voice of the company, what they say is supposed to represent the opinion of the company as a whole.
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