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Facebook has not been doing enough to comply with a 2020 privacy order: FTC

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Re: Facebook has not been doing enough to comply with a 2020 privacy order: FTC

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It is insane to me that we allow any advertising to young children at all, whether online, on TV, or anywhere else. I think deliberately manipulating kids is heinous and I genuinely don’t understand why this isn’t the consensus opinion.

I really hated growing up with Transformers and He-Man and all of the other TV shows that were animated versions of toys I played with. Wait. I didn't hate that at all.

Re: Facebook has not been doing enough to comply with a 2020 privacy order: FTC

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It is insane to me that we allow any advertising to young children at all, whether online, on TV, or anywhere else. I think deliberately manipulating kids is heinous and I genuinely don’t understand why this isn’t the consensus opinion.

I wish the FTC would also look at Roblox more carefully. So many parents blindly let their children play Roblox allowing them to get sucked into pay 2 win schemes, NFC trading and advergames.

Re: Facebook has not been doing enough to comply with a 2020 privacy order: FTC

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Have we gotten to the point where "bad for Facebook" ~= "good for society"? It's both a good indicator for progress and a sad place to be as a community.

...Wait, so you thought there was ever a point when "good for Facebook" == "good for society"? IMO "bad for Facebook" ~= "good for society" has always been true. It's not a "sad place to be as community", they are a corp and their bait-and-switch was expected ever since they got created, at least from the people who don't idolize corporations that is. It was extremely obvious they'll position themselves as helpful, p…

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Re: Facebook has not been doing enough to comply with a 2020 privacy order: FTC

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> How can a corporation be furious? In the same way that an agency can propose: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Synecdoche

Proposing is an action. Being furious is a state of emotion. Corporations can act through their agents. Corporations cannot feel their agents’ emotions because they are unable to feel.

PR can express emotion via press releases and interviews on behalf of the company. I would say it's just a way to say the board of directors is furious. Not that the company is sentient, and I don't think anyone thinks companies are sentient.

Re: Facebook has not been doing enough to comply with a 2020 privacy order: FTC

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How can a corporation be furious? After reading the article, they don't say anything about the company or people inside the company being furious. The closest thing I could find is that a Meta spokesperson said they plan to fight it vigorously and expect to win. Maybe the headline should be "Meta opposed to proposed FTC ban on monetizing youth data".

The headline here is the government of the United States has alleged that Meta has violated an existing privacy order severely enough that they should not be allowed to retain data on children at all, that they've lied to parents about what they are doing with their kids data, and that bugs or mistakenly applied product features had enabled kids to message with strangers despite promises that the product was not able…

Headlines are often determined by SEO/engagement folks rather than the actual writers, unfortunately.

Re: Facebook has not been doing enough to comply with a 2020 privacy order: FTC

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You forgot Snap.

And Google, and Microsoft and ...

I will assume sarcasm.

For sake of not letting a bogus argument go unanswered: Google and Microsoft offer generic tools that have very broad social benefit outside the monetization of user data.

That said, I would prefer it if the FTC would address data monetization practices at all tech companies--it is a fine business model, but it is troublesome as a necessary addition to my spreadsheet or the operating system for my desktop/laptop/phone-sized computer.

Re: Facebook has not been doing enough to comply with a 2020 privacy order: FTC

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It is insane to me that we allow any advertising to young children at all, whether online, on TV, or anywhere else. I think deliberately manipulating kids is heinous and I genuinely don’t understand why this isn’t the consensus opinion.

"Deliberately manipulating" is a biased term that negatively taints your statement. With the bias removed, the statement's ambiguity is revealed. You must unpack what you mean by "deliberately manipulating". For example, teaching and parenting is a form of deliberately manipulating. Picking my kid up when he's about to fall down a slide is deliberately manipulating. Handing him a banana is deliberately manipulating.…

You have a good point. I really meant deliberately manipulating with the intent of making them want to buy things, and especially manipulating their emotions to make them think their lives will be so much better if only they had the product being advertised, which is exactly what advertising aimed at kids tries to do

Re: Facebook has not been doing enough to comply with a 2020 privacy order: FTC

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It is insane to me that we allow any advertising to young children at all, whether online, on TV, or anywhere else. I think deliberately manipulating kids is heinous and I genuinely don’t understand why this isn’t the consensus opinion.

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Re: Facebook has not been doing enough to comply with a 2020 privacy order: FTC

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I really wish I could get rid of my FB account. It's so pervasive in my social life that it would things difficult and I would miss out on events with my friends. My family uses it for video chat, my friends use it to organize social activities, I'm on a recreational kickball team that uses it for team communication, etc.

I recently deactivated and a few weeks later a friend asked if I was going to an event he invited me to. I had no idea anyone invited to me anything. I had my invite me to an event and it let her invite and didn't tell either of us I was invited to something... If you invite a deactivated account there's apparently no indication the person won't see it.

Re: Facebook has not been doing enough to comply with a 2020 privacy order: FTC

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Have we gotten to the point where "bad for Facebook" ~= "good for society"? It's both a good indicator for progress and a sad place to be as a community.

...Wait, so you thought there was ever a point when "good for Facebook" == "good for society"? IMO "bad for Facebook" ~= "good for society" has always been true. It's not a "sad place to be as community", they are a corp and their bait-and-switch was expected ever since they got created, at least from the people who don't idolize corporations that is. It was extremely obvious they'll position themselves as helpful, p…

> IMO "bad for Facebook" ~= "good for society" has always been true.

I'd say there is a case for it being neutral for society for a fair chunk of time in its early days. Things don't have to be good/bad binary.

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