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Facebook has not been doing enough to comply with a 2020 privacy order: FTC

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Re: Facebook has not been doing enough to comply with a 2020 privacy order: FTC

#71

Mark Zuckerberg himself seems to understand the importance of privacy very well, taping over the microphone and camera on his MacBook Pro, keeping his trash can from being scavenged by others, and FB spending heavily to protect his security, so why does he have the exact opposite attitude towards others?

In practical terms, Mark is a target. You're not.

In more practical terms, it's because his business prints billions per year by selling you ads.

Re: Facebook has not been doing enough to comply with a 2020 privacy order: FTC

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post #55

It is insane to me that we allow any advertising to young children at all, whether online, on TV, or anywhere else. I think deliberately manipulating kids is heinous and I genuinely don’t understand why this isn’t the consensus opinion.

> I think deliberately manipulating kids is heinous Religion has entered the chat.

The idea is to improve, not replicate all the bad parts.

Re: Facebook has not been doing enough to comply with a 2020 privacy order: FTC

#73
post #55

It is insane to me that we allow any advertising to young children at all, whether online, on TV, or anywhere else. I think deliberately manipulating kids is heinous and I genuinely don’t understand why this isn’t the consensus opinion.

> I think deliberately manipulating kids is heinous Religion has entered the chat.

> Religion has entered the chat.

Parenting in general has entered the cat.

(That said, I do agree that we need boundaries on the manipulation of younger minds. I've seen others make this analogy before: We don't let kids buy cigarettes in stores -- why should they have the full force of addictive algorithmic social media unleashed on them? [for that matter, why should adults, but that's another story])

Re: Facebook has not been doing enough to comply with a 2020 privacy order: FTC

#74
The government is THE entity entrusted with creating personal property rights, amongst a lot of other things. (Assuming colonial debt as a national debt being how the revolutionaries bought their new country legitimacy.) So it’s about time for government to grant people sovereignty over their data and attention by creating some new personal property rights and protections. Keeping PII should be billable hours. Attention should be billable hours. If not that then something similar.

Re: Facebook has not been doing enough to comply with a 2020 privacy order: FTC

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post #22

Earlier quoted context omitted.

One way is to train an AI on the entire collection of conversations every employee at Meta has had, and then after sufficient training ask the AI how it feels about this ban. It may then respond that it is furious!!! Thus we can determine the corporation is furious. For some remote first companies that communicate primarily through platforms like Slack or email, this should be trivial to do.

If I trained an AI on what you said, it couldn't tell me how you feel. Category error.

Not a feeling as such, but I suppose it would be able to determine an angry or furious tone:

https://i.imgur.com/abRLZYO.png

Re: Facebook has not been doing enough to comply with a 2020 privacy order: FTC

#76

How can a corporation be furious? After reading the article, they don't say anything about the company or people inside the company being furious. The closest thing I could find is that a Meta spokesperson said they plan to fight it vigorously and expect to win. Maybe the headline should be "Meta opposed to proposed FTC ban on monetizing youth data".

> How can a corporation be furious? In the same way that an agency can propose: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Synecdoche

Proposing is an action. Being furious is a state of emotion.

Corporations can act through their agents. Corporations cannot feel their agents’ emotions because they are unable to feel.

Re: Facebook has not been doing enough to comply with a 2020 privacy order: FTC

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post #37
post #9

Earlier quoted context omitted.

We'd be better off without Facebook, Twitter, TikTok and Instagram. Anything that hurts these businesses probably helps society. There is just no big benefit to justify the amount of damage done to mental health and privacy.

And GitHub. That site is 50% social media trying to get you to engage and algorithms to suggest new Node.js projects for you.

I use GitHub every day for work and have run into exactly none of what you describe.

Re: Facebook has not been doing enough to comply with a 2020 privacy order: FTC

#78

Mark Zuckerberg himself seems to understand the importance of privacy very well, taping over the microphone and camera on his MacBook Pro, keeping his trash can from being scavenged by others, and FB spending heavily to protect his security, so why does he have the exact opposite attitude towards others?

In practical terms, Mark is a target. You're not.

Perhaps, but then you're a mark. We all are.

Re: Facebook has not been doing enough to comply with a 2020 privacy order: FTC

#79
post #55

It is insane to me that we allow any advertising to young children at all, whether online, on TV, or anywhere else. I think deliberately manipulating kids is heinous and I genuinely don’t understand why this isn’t the consensus opinion.

"Deliberately manipulating" is a biased term that negatively taints your statement. With the bias removed, the statement's ambiguity is revealed. You must unpack what you mean by "deliberately manipulating".

For example, teaching and parenting is a form of deliberately manipulating. Picking my kid up when he's about to fall down a slide is deliberately manipulating. Handing him a banana is deliberately manipulating. We are deliberately manipulating children constantly and for critically good reasons.

Re: Facebook has not been doing enough to comply with a 2020 privacy order: FTC

#80

Since there is bound to be a lot of Facebook bashing I’ll point out that they occasionally do some good. In the case of software they can be good stewards of FOSS. I listened to this CoRecursive episode about the history of Zstandard compression algorithm and how FB allowed the author, Yann Collet, to fully open source it while other companies wanted to keep it proprietary. https://corecursive.com/data-compression-ya…

Phew thank gif they open sourced a compression library it was worth the privacy of 500_000_000 children being monetized.

And where would we be without React? Chaos, chaos everywhere…

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