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Facebook has not been doing enough to comply with a 2020 privacy order: FTC

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Re: Facebook has not been doing enough to comply with a 2020 privacy order: FTC

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Post by traceroute66 »

jason-phillips wrote: post #32
AraceliHarker wrote: post #24

Mark Zuckerberg himself seems to understand the importance of privacy very well, taping over the microphone and camera on his MacBook Pro, keeping his trash can from being scavenged by others, and FB spending heavily to protect his security, so why does he have the exact opposite attitude towards others?

In practical terms, Mark is a target. You're not.

> Mark is a target. You're not.

Define the word "target".

I would argue that for the likes of Facebook and Google, they consider anyone fair game.

Of course they would never use the word "target", but ...

Re: Facebook has not been doing enough to comply with a 2020 privacy order: FTC

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Post by kodah »

Waterluvian wrote: post #33
wirthjason wrote: post #16

Since there is bound to be a lot of Facebook bashing I’ll point out that they occasionally do some good. In the case of software they can be good stewards of FOSS. I listened to this CoRecursive episode about the history of Zstandard compression algorithm and how FB allowed the author, Yann Collet, to fully open source it while other companies wanted to keep it proprietary. https://corecursive.com/data-compression-ya…

I wonder if it kind of sucks to recognize that your job in FOSS is just a token gesture. Does FB really care about React’s contribution to the community? Or is it just happy to pay a few salaries to look good?

If you spend time around the FOSS arms of most companies the value they see first is in PR, the second is recruiting, the third is free work. The engineers lead the projects out of passion but what the company sees is opportunity.

Re: Facebook has not been doing enough to comply with a 2020 privacy order: FTC

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Post by [deleted] »

bigbillheck wrote: post #60
criddell wrote: post #15

How can a corporation be furious? After reading the article, they don't say anything about the company or people inside the company being furious. The closest thing I could find is that a Meta spokesperson said they plan to fight it vigorously and expect to win. Maybe the headline should be "Meta opposed to proposed FTC ban on monetizing youth data".

> How can a corporation be furious? In the same way that an agency can propose: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Synecdoche

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Re: Facebook has not been doing enough to comply with a 2020 privacy order: FTC

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Post by programmer_dude »

nh23423fefe wrote: post #52
xwdv wrote: post #22

Earlier quoted context omitted.

One way is to train an AI on the entire collection of conversations every employee at Meta has had, and then after sufficient training ask the AI how it feels about this ban. It may then respond that it is furious!!! Thus we can determine the corporation is furious. For some remote first companies that communicate primarily through platforms like Slack or email, this should be trivial to do.

If I trained an AI on what you said, it couldn't tell me how you feel. Category error.

I don't think it is. The AI would indeed tell you how the OP would feel if he were given the same news and asked the same question.

Re: Facebook has not been doing enough to comply with a 2020 privacy order: FTC

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Post by ferminaut »

Facebook (and much of social media) is the modern day Philip Morris peddling addictive experiences...except the harm is way less obvious. Folks arent getting cancer, but they are wrecking their mental health. The difference is social media falls under the first amendment and is much harder to regulate.

It's a borderline national security issue, too.

Re: Facebook has not been doing enough to comply with a 2020 privacy order: FTC

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Post by baggachipz »

medler wrote: post #55

It is insane to me that we allow any advertising to young children at all, whether online, on TV, or anywhere else. I think deliberately manipulating kids is heinous and I genuinely don’t understand why this isn’t the consensus opinion.

> I think deliberately manipulating kids is heinous

Religion has entered the chat.

Re: Facebook has not been doing enough to comply with a 2020 privacy order: FTC

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Post by traceroute66 »

baggachipz wrote: post #2

> “Facebook has repeatedly violated its privacy promises,” Samuel Levine, director of the FTC’s Bureau of Consumer Protection, said in a press release. If you're pissing off Facebook, you're probably doing something right.

> If you're pissing off Facebook, you're probably doing something right.

^^ THIS !

I remember when Apple hardened iOS so that Facebook & co. could no longer mis-use the system do do evil things such as silently monitor pasteboard contents.

Facebook took out enormous billboard ads at the time in major cities on which they exercised their tiny woe-is-me violin, trying to pretend Apple was the evil one.

Re: Facebook has not been doing enough to comply with a 2020 privacy order: FTC

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Post by toxik »

bigbillheck wrote: post #60
criddell wrote: post #15

How can a corporation be furious? After reading the article, they don't say anything about the company or people inside the company being furious. The closest thing I could find is that a Meta spokesperson said they plan to fight it vigorously and expect to win. Maybe the headline should be "Meta opposed to proposed FTC ban on monetizing youth data".

> How can a corporation be furious? In the same way that an agency can propose: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Synecdoche

This is not a synecdoche, it is at best anthropomorphizing.

Re: Facebook has not been doing enough to comply with a 2020 privacy order: FTC

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Post by dwringer »

programmer_dude wrote: post #64
nh23423fefe wrote: post #52

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If I trained an AI on what you said, it couldn't tell me how you feel. Category error.

I don't think it is. The AI would indeed tell you how the OP would feel if he were given the same news and asked the same question.

That strikes me as an extraordinary claim somewhat in need of extraordinary evidence.

Re: Facebook has not been doing enough to comply with a 2020 privacy order: FTC

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Post by xwdv »

nh23423fefe wrote: post #52
xwdv wrote: post #22

Earlier quoted context omitted.

One way is to train an AI on the entire collection of conversations every employee at Meta has had, and then after sufficient training ask the AI how it feels about this ban. It may then respond that it is furious!!! Thus we can determine the corporation is furious. For some remote first companies that communicate primarily through platforms like Slack or email, this should be trivial to do.

If I trained an AI on what you said, it couldn't tell me how you feel. Category error.

It does. GPT4 frequently reports the same feelings I do when given similar inputs.
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