MSFT is forcing Outlook and Teams to open links in Edge and IT admins are angry

Post by sneak » Wed, May 03, 2023, 6:32 PM UTC

happytiger wrote: post #558

You can't embrace open source, stand for freedom on the Internet, and simultaneously engage in dark patterns like this without destroying user trust. And trust with users is the currency of the 21st century as much as data is the new oil. Microsoft needs to get their brand straight and decide, once and for all, what they stand for. There was this incredible move towards open source, and embracing the modern web, and…

Post by neilv » Wed, May 03, 2023, 6:35 PM UTC

dustedcodes wrote: post #6

I have no skin in the game, but even I am starting to think the obvious thing here: Apple and Google own the entire mobile OS market. They could literally destroy Microsoft if they started to hugely degrade the experience of Microsoft products on iOS and Android with dark patterns a la Microsoft. But they don't. So far they were competing by making their own products better. Microsoft needs to think hard how hostile…

Post by gtirloni » Wed, May 03, 2023, 6:42 PM UTC

Eisenstein wrote: post #508

gtirloni wrote: post #244

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We often look at companies as a single monolith but that isn't conductive to productive discussions. OP is giving a different perspective, a more detailed and granular one. One interest counterpoint would be that the problematic behavior is encouraged by the CEO, then the different units wouldn't matter much (well, unless they have a tendency to go rogue). Anyway, all idle speculation on my part but I welcome the per…

A friendly nitpick: the word 'conductive' is a physics term. The term which means "tending to promote or assist" is 'conducive' with no 't', pronounced 'cundoosiv'. > Something conducive "leads to" a desirable result. A cozy living room may be conducive to relaxed conversation, just as a boardroom may be conducive to more intense discussions. Particular tax policies are often conducive to savings and investment, wher…

Post by m463 » Wed, May 03, 2023, 6:43 PM UTC

sneak wrote: post #561

happytiger wrote: post #558

You can't embrace open source, stand for freedom on the Internet, and simultaneously engage in dark patterns like this without destroying user trust. And trust with users is the currency of the 21st century as much as data is the new oil. Microsoft needs to get their brand straight and decide, once and for all, what they stand for. There was this incredible move towards open source, and embracing the modern web, and…

A proprietary software company never makes a "move toward open source". Microsoft released some things with source simply to sell more proprietary software that does not respect user freedoms. Open source and free software is a philosophy and ideology. Microsoft is incompatible with it no matter what licenses they use. Microsoft never embraced open source. You can't claim that until and unless Windows is released wit…

Post by speeder » Wed, May 03, 2023, 6:45 PM UTC

nottorp wrote: post #299

vladvasiliu wrote: post #285

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In my experience the worst it does is setting itself to boot automatically. It won't mess with secureboot keys or anything. In my case, I removed the pc's default ones and installed my own and signed ms's key with mine. It works fine.

> In my experience the worst it does is setting itself to boot automatically. In UEFI? If I have the OSes on separate physical disks I'm planning to use the bios to select what boots.