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MSFT is forcing Outlook and Teams to open links in Edge and IT admins are angry

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Re: MSFT is forcing Outlook and Teams to open links in Edge and IT admins are angry

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Post by SteveMoody73 »

aitchnyu wrote: post #136
IceWreck wrote: post #34

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Microsoft apps exist on Android and they're not forced to open links in Chrome on Android. If the user chooses, they can open on Microsoft Edge on Android. The user can set their own browser preference - and Google doesn't force them. Apple doesn't allow other browser engines but it's on them. None of these bug tech corps are in the right here, but MS is being more anti-competitive than most.

Umm, MS Teams on Adroid forced me to install Edge to open links. Even the copy action pushes "haha, we wont give away this link you moron" (in corp speak) to the clipboard.

I use Teams on my phone regularly and have never seen this happen. Clicking on a link takes me to the web page without any problems, even in my default browser which is Firefox.

Re: MSFT is forcing Outlook and Teams to open links in Edge and IT admins are angry

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Post by stall84 »

LeifCarrotson wrote: post #203
capableweb wrote: post #106

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Microsoft needs to think hard how hostile they want to be to its competitors and users, because two people can play this game. I don't get Microsoft, have they no pride or desire to become a great company? Have they just become content to be an old corporate software house who only manages to keep users through dark patterns and anti-competitive behaviour because they have given up on making products which people e…

> You're talking about this like Microsoft ever did anything differently than what you wrote? Since when have they focused 100% on just building great products and competing fairly? They did a wonderful job with C# and .NET Core. But you need to remember your org charts; the Edge and Windows 11 decision-makers are not the same people with the same incentives.

Its interesting to look at their 'product' history b/c they have a few shining moments of 'getting it' as far as OP means. .NET especially realizing Linux was a real thing and to at least outwardly 'embrace' it.. Then there are moments like these the OP points to .

I guess that's about .. literally.. average.

Re: MSFT is forcing Outlook and Teams to open links in Edge and IT admins are angry

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Post by foepys »

mats852 wrote: post #290
nickjj wrote: post #171

Interesting timing. 2 days ago a place I'm at switched us from Google mail + calendar + meet to Microsoft outlook + calendar + teams. I almost can't believe at how good Google's suite of tools are compared to Microsoft. I never used any of MS' office tools until a few days ago. Outlook's web app doesn't even let you click into an email to mark it as read. You have to explicitly click the mark as read button. It also…

I think the worst part is their authentication, for some reason I have a personal account that was invited as a guest in an organization to use Teams. I can only access the Teams workspace if I click through a link in my emails and I have to login twice. It only works on the web version, I can't login the app at all. But once you're in Teams, everything is so much worse, it's like using a hacked version of MS Word to…

The only thing MS Teams has going for it is that it is included in Office 365 subscriptions. That's it.

It's a garbage product that's slowing even the fastest computers down to a crawl. And don't get me started on all the bugs. Horrible.

Re: MSFT is forcing Outlook and Teams to open links in Edge and IT admins are angry

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Post by justinclift »

marginalia_nu wrote: post #50
peoplefromibiza wrote: post #28

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> Anti-competitive behaviour runs deep in ~~Microsoft~~ rampant capitalism, especially in the US of A the end goal is always to become a monopolist

Well on paper at least, the US has antitrust laws going back to the Sherman Act and Standard Oil. Microsoft was basically inches away from being broken up in the late '90s due to their anti-competitive practices.

I'm kind of hoping the EU decides to pick MS up on this, with a 2nd go around of "abusing their monopoly on the desktop".

Maybe this time they'll break MS into small pieces. :)

Re: MSFT is forcing Outlook and Teams to open links in Edge and IT admins are angry

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Post by maerF0x0 »

capableweb wrote: post #106
dustedcodes wrote: post #6

I have no skin in the game, but even I am starting to think the obvious thing here: Apple and Google own the entire mobile OS market. They could literally destroy Microsoft if they started to hugely degrade the experience of Microsoft products on iOS and Android with dark patterns a la Microsoft. But they don't. So far they were competing by making their own products better. Microsoft needs to think hard how hostile…

> Microsoft needs to think hard how hostile they want to be to its competitors and users, because two people can play this game. I don't get Microsoft, have they no pride or desire to become a great company? Have they just become content to be an old corporate software house who only manages to keep users through dark patterns and anti-competitive behaviour because they have given up on making products which people e…

> have they no pride or desire to become a great company

Yes. But their definition of those terms are stuck in the 90s

Re: MSFT is forcing Outlook and Teams to open links in Edge and IT admins are angry

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Post by klabb3 »

VBprogrammer wrote: post #352

Anyone tried installing Chrome on Windows recently? I got at least 3 "warnings" about how I didn't need chrome when I could just use Edge. Honestly, I imagine a lot of people who are less competent with computers just assume they are doing something wrong and give up.

Regulators need to slap these companies in the fingers again for these ugly practices, this time hard as hell. Otherwise it’s just gonna get worse.

Re: MSFT is forcing Outlook and Teams to open links in Edge and IT admins are angry

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Post by somegent »

thesuitonym wrote: post #328
NikolaNovak wrote: post #295

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I disagree with your premise. I have an iPhone (forced upon me by work) and it's ridiculous how many links still try to open in safari or Apple maps. I've tried to configure it for years and I've literally uninstalled Apple maps, but half the time iPhone keeps wanting me to reinstall it when I click a link or address. And a lot of url links open in safari instead of chrome or Firefox. Same with many other things - I…

You sound like a person who never even tried. Open Settings > Safari > Default Browser App, and select the app you want. It's really that easy.

iOS 15.7.5, there is no such setting. Searching settings for "Default Browser" doesn't come up with anything.

Re: MSFT is forcing Outlook and Teams to open links in Edge and IT admins are angry

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Post by olyjohn »

LeifCarrotson wrote: post #203
capableweb wrote: post #106

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Microsoft needs to think hard how hostile they want to be to its competitors and users, because two people can play this game. I don't get Microsoft, have they no pride or desire to become a great company? Have they just become content to be an old corporate software house who only manages to keep users through dark patterns and anti-competitive behaviour because they have given up on making products which people e…

> You're talking about this like Microsoft ever did anything differently than what you wrote? Since when have they focused 100% on just building great products and competing fairly? They did a wonderful job with C# and .NET Core. But you need to remember your org charts; the Edge and Windows 11 decision-makers are not the same people with the same incentives.

Nobody said that they have never made a good product. But in no way does this mean that the company focus has been on making good products vs strong-arming their way into things.
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