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MSFT is forcing Outlook and Teams to open links in Edge and IT admins are angry

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Re: MSFT is forcing Outlook and Teams to open links in Edge and IT admins are angry

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Post by rilindo »

atlanta90210 wrote: post #330
capableweb wrote: post #106

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Microsoft needs to think hard how hostile they want to be to its competitors and users, because two people can play this game. I don't get Microsoft, have they no pride or desire to become a great company? Have they just become content to be an old corporate software house who only manages to keep users through dark patterns and anti-competitive behaviour because they have given up on making products which people e…

“DOS ain't done till Lotus won't run"

That is not accurate, incidentally.

> "It's an interesting myth, and one I've heard about in general terms, although I've never heard the specific quote before. However, I have no recollection of any instance of its actually happening with 1-2-3 or with any other product I've worked on." And, "My memory of the early days (1984-85) is that we would get early betas of DOS to test with 1-2-3 and any errors that we found were 'bugs' in DOS and fixed by Microsoft."

> Try to imagine a customer with a working copy of 1-2-3 who installed a new version of DOS and 1-2-3 stopped working. Would they blame Lotus or Microsoft? Would their reaction be "1-2-3 sucks" or "DOS sucks"? Would their solution be to get rid of 1-2-3, or stop buying DOS upgrades?

[0] http://www.proudlyserving.com/archives/2005/08/dos_aint_done...

Re: MSFT is forcing Outlook and Teams to open links in Edge and IT admins are angry

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Post by kjrose »

dustedcodes wrote: post #6

I have no skin in the game, but even I am starting to think the obvious thing here: Apple and Google own the entire mobile OS market. They could literally destroy Microsoft if they started to hugely degrade the experience of Microsoft products on iOS and Android with dark patterns a la Microsoft. But they don't. So far they were competing by making their own products better. Microsoft needs to think hard how hostile…

Are you totally unaware of the history of Microsoft all the way back to the 80s?

Microsoft does not care about anything more than the bottom line. As long as they can increase revenues and market penetration, they will do it. They've been playing this game since IE.

Re: MSFT is forcing Outlook and Teams to open links in Edge and IT admins are angry

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Post by aceazzameen »

Windows 11 does this too, and it's infuriating. If you click a link in settings, it will only open in Edge.

As a Firefox user, I'd like to keep Edge as an alternative to check websites with. But this shady nonsense makes me want to burn every last bit off my system.

Re: MSFT is forcing Outlook and Teams to open links in Edge and IT admins are angry

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Post by hra5th »

nickjj wrote: post #237
themoop wrote: post #206

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I think most things you describe are just getting used to product difference / configuration options. Clicking an email definitely marks it as read. The calendar schedule not being revealed is a just a privacy option, each person must opt-in to share the exact meeting details. Having used both gsuite and office I find that they both get job done fairly well

> The calendar schedule not being revealed is a just a privacy option, each person must opt-in to share the exact meeting details. We've done this as far as I know. We also added each other to our directory. I can see the details of other team mate's calendars in the full view but this does not show up in the mini-view when you add a guest to an event. With Google, when you create a new event and put in a user's emai…

The email gets marked as read once you click out of the email to view a different one (which I agree is unintuitive, but it is not true you have to explicitly click "mark as read").

Re: MSFT is forcing Outlook and Teams to open links in Edge and IT admins are angry

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Post by mxuribe »

I can't believe i'm about to suggest this...

But, why doesn't Firefox start trying to curry the favor of large enterprises? By this, i mean, that maybe firefox could make a campaign to reach out to enterprise on how good FF could be for the enterprise...In essence try to win the hearts and minds of both IT admins and their senior leaders in the enterprise!?! (Instead of doing all manner of distractive efforts that may not be core to FF's web browser.)

Yes, i know there is the FireFox ESR edition which some enterporises use, and yes, this might mean that FF devs might need to build up some added features to specifically help enterprises better manage profiles for users, etc...but, at least, Mozilla won;t be trying to shove things like Edge down users' throats. At the very least it would help diverse things if more Windows OS installations at large enterprises were a healthy mix of Chrom, Edge, and Firefox...

/end-of-rant

Re: MSFT is forcing Outlook and Teams to open links in Edge and IT admins are angry

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Post by shrubble »

LeifCarrotson wrote: post #203
capableweb wrote: post #106

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Microsoft needs to think hard how hostile they want to be to its competitors and users, because two people can play this game. I don't get Microsoft, have they no pride or desire to become a great company? Have they just become content to be an old corporate software house who only manages to keep users through dark patterns and anti-competitive behaviour because they have given up on making products which people e…

> You're talking about this like Microsoft ever did anything differently than what you wrote? Since when have they focused 100% on just building great products and competing fairly? They did a wonderful job with C# and .NET Core. But you need to remember your org charts; the Edge and Windows 11 decision-makers are not the same people with the same incentives.

The "portable" language that doesn't run on FreeBSD, Solaris, AIX, etc.?

Re: MSFT is forcing Outlook and Teams to open links in Edge and IT admins are angry

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Post by eptcyka »

anaganisk wrote: post #336
kps wrote: post #292

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I suspect VSCode is a baited hook. Get enough developers dependent on it, then degrade it on Linux, and offer WSL as close enough to have people switch their OS rather than their editor. With developers on Windows, cloud follows.

WSL is a literal VM now, that runs based on Hyper-V afaik, if Vscode degrades on Linux, I'm just not sure how it won't affect WSL too. Whatever happened to using vim,emacs, intelliJ, or tons of other Vscode forks. Vscode is not the baited hook, it's the exclusive integrations (extensions) like remote containers, remote containers etc that are nice to have features not workflow breaking stuff.

VSCode runs well on host and just uses SSH to have a remote Dev env in the Linux VM. At this point, a MS advocate might argue that we don't even need vscode to run on Linux at all.

I think their next push won't be against Foss people, but to get people on the cloud so they get a recurring revenue stream and their customers are hooked deeper still.

Re: MSFT is forcing Outlook and Teams to open links in Edge and IT admins are angry

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Post by jkubicek »

ascagnel_ wrote: post #329
capableweb wrote: post #325

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> because I'd rather have Watch notifications while I drive Off topic, but you're not actually looking at your watch while you drive right?

If you're navigating with a watch on, it'll notify you of upcoming turns (either through vibrations or by making a turn signal-like noise) without ducking/pausing your music.

And, the taps on your wrist are unique depending on which direction you need to turn, so you can theoretically navigate via the wrist-taps alone.
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