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MSFT is forcing Outlook and Teams to open links in Edge and IT admins are angry

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Re: MSFT is forcing Outlook and Teams to open links in Edge and IT admins are angry

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Post by pwillia7 »

dustedcodes wrote: post #6

I have no skin in the game, but even I am starting to think the obvious thing here: Apple and Google own the entire mobile OS market. They could literally destroy Microsoft if they started to hugely degrade the experience of Microsoft products on iOS and Android with dark patterns a la Microsoft. But they don't. So far they were competing by making their own products better. Microsoft needs to think hard how hostile…

Probably inherent because they'll fire you if you don't perform so you put dark patterns in or you get cut. I know they quit the official stack ranking... but I wonder

Re: MSFT is forcing Outlook and Teams to open links in Edge and IT admins are angry

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Post by vetinari »

maccard wrote: post #257
vetinari wrote: post #213

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Maps open links in Firefox for me; Gmail by default in-process with webview, but that is disable-able in settings and then it opens links in the default browser. For the google search widget, I don't use it, but after a quick check yes, it does use webview too, but also has the option to open in browser. I've not seen anything opening in Chrome for years, if ever.

> I've not seen anything opening in Chrome for years, if ever. Except for the things that you just said open in the chrome webview, right?

It is not chrome webview. It is android webview. Yes, it is similar to chrome engine, but it is not chrome. Just like edge is not chrome.

It is also per-app choice. If an app decides doing something in a particular way, it is not the system's fault -- some reddit readers do the same, for some reason. For now, apps do have preferences to open in browser instead, and that option respects the default one.

Re: MSFT is forcing Outlook and Teams to open links in Edge and IT admins are angry

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Post by Zeratoss »

lopkeny12ko wrote: post #220

I don't like MSFT as much as anyone else but this does feel like a misattribution of blame. On Linux, the "default web browser" is part of the XDG specification and available under the settings key `default-web-browser`. In the absence of such a standard at the DE level in Windows, it seems reasonable to me that developers would have to maintain a hardcoded candidate list of web browsers and their likely executable p…

On Android Microsoft Outlook refused to open links in Chrome or Firefox and made me install Edge from the Playstore.

I couldn't even copy the links to paste them manually, as my organization disabled this. This is not OK.

Re: MSFT is forcing Outlook and Teams to open links in Edge and IT admins are angry

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Post by kenjackson »

IceWreck wrote: post #34
3np wrote: post #9

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Not to give Microsoft an out here but really? The equivalent for this on iOS or Android would be allowing opening links in a different browser and web view engine. The equivalent Microsoft apps on mobile OSs aren't degraded - they aren't even allowed to exist in the first place. Microsoft is bringing the desktop experience in line with mobile here. Doesn't make it less terrible but contrasting Apple and Google as bet…

Microsoft apps exist on Android and they're not forced to open links in Chrome on Android. If the user chooses, they can open on Microsoft Edge on Android. The user can set their own browser preference - and Google doesn't force them. Apple doesn't allow other browser engines but it's on them. None of these bug tech corps are in the right here, but MS is being more anti-competitive than most.

But you compared Microsoft apps on Android. This article is more analogous to Google apps on Android always using Chrome.

Re: MSFT is forcing Outlook and Teams to open links in Edge and IT admins are angry

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Post by conductr »

pjmlp wrote: post #123
dustedcodes wrote: post #6

I have no skin in the game, but even I am starting to think the obvious thing here: Apple and Google own the entire mobile OS market. They could literally destroy Microsoft if they started to hugely degrade the experience of Microsoft products on iOS and Android with dark patterns a la Microsoft. But they don't. So far they were competing by making their own products better. Microsoft needs to think hard how hostile…

They surely do, one of the reasons why Windows Phone failed to gain adoption was how Google blocked access to their apps from Windows Phone.

I think it never broke past 5% of smart phone market. If this was a reason, I never heard. I feel like most people just were interested in something else and never even really considered it as an alternative.

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Post by aembleton »

isanjay wrote: post #75
dubcanada wrote: post #61

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By uninstall their apps I assume you mean play service? In which case you can you just need root. Same as you can’t uninstall core Microsoft services. Apple not allowing other browsers is a bit much…

I can't uninstall Google apps in my Android phone YouTube, Gmail etc.

Have you rooted it?

Re: MSFT is forcing Outlook and Teams to open links in Edge and IT admins are angry

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Post by felvid »

isanjay wrote: post #33

I am thankful that I don't use Windows at home anymore. While I use Fedora, I believe most frustrated people will look to Apple ecosystem.

I permanently switched to Linux because Windows was acting as the owner of my computer. The change took some work, but it was well worth it. Now I'm using Mint with KDE. My regret is not having done this sooner. I'm satisfied.

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Post by npteljes »

zelphirkalt wrote: post #138
npteljes wrote: post #119

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VS Codium and other forks don't (maybe can't) use the official VSCode extension market. Because a lot of goodness, like the ability to refactor and debug PHP, is coming from the extensions and the extension ecosystem, it can be a big deal.

However, one can still add that marketplace, if one wants to do so. So people could still have access to the same extensions (which might be a privacy and telemetry or spyware risk), but at least not have the in-built telemetry.

That's good to know! I knew that MS forbids it, but it turns out that it's possible to still use the official Marketplace. Here's how:

https://github.com/VSCodium/vscodium/blob/master/DOCS.md#how...

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Post by fs111 »

acidburnNSA wrote: post #260
capableweb wrote: post #106

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> Microsoft needs to think hard how hostile they want to be to its competitors and users, because two people can play this game. I don't get Microsoft, have they no pride or desire to become a great company? Have they just become content to be an old corporate software house who only manages to keep users through dark patterns and anti-competitive behaviour because they have given up on making products which people e…

Encarta 96 was incredible.

100% agree, but it has been a while since that came out...
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