The Google Chat desktop app (which is really just a chrome instance, but this is obscured from the user) only opens links in Chrome and ignores the system default. It's had this behaviour forever.
MSFT is forcing Outlook and Teams to open links in Edge and IT admins are angry
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Re: MSFT is forcing Outlook and Teams to open links in Edge and IT admins are angry
#202I have no skin in the game, but even I am starting to think the obvious thing here: Apple and Google own the entire mobile OS market. They could literally destroy Microsoft if they started to hugely degrade the experience of Microsoft products on iOS and Android with dark patterns a la Microsoft. But they don't. So far they were competing by making their own products better. Microsoft needs to think hard how hostile…
Microsoft make a ton of products that are still great to use. Microsoft Flight Sim? No jokes, it's just good fun from what I hear. Their Visual Whatever IDEs? They built that by creating great things like the LSP.
And they aren't the only ones engaged in exploiting these kind of walled garden incentive mechanism.
I mentioned before, it feels like we're being herded to Mastodon with the Twitter drama. This feels like being herded to a different OS. Perhaps ome new brilliant one. But how we get there, the journey, matters.
Of course, that's crazy talk, Microsoft would never do that. Why would they chase away customers. So I'll just end that silly argument before it inches into a snowball dragging me towards a troll state.
But it doesn't feel good. It turns my love of programming into something else.
And I see that happening with other things I love too.
Re: MSFT is forcing Outlook and Teams to open links in Edge and IT admins are angry
#203I have no skin in the game, but even I am starting to think the obvious thing here: Apple and Google own the entire mobile OS market. They could literally destroy Microsoft if they started to hugely degrade the experience of Microsoft products on iOS and Android with dark patterns a la Microsoft. But they don't. So far they were competing by making their own products better. Microsoft needs to think hard how hostile…
> Microsoft needs to think hard how hostile they want to be to its competitors and users, because two people can play this game. I don't get Microsoft, have they no pride or desire to become a great company? Have they just become content to be an old corporate software house who only manages to keep users through dark patterns and anti-competitive behaviour because they have given up on making products which people e…
> You're talking about this like Microsoft ever did anything differently than what you wrote? Since when have they focused 100% on just building great products and competing fairly?
They did a wonderful job with C# and .NET Core.
But you need to remember your org charts; the Edge and Windows 11 decision-makers are not the same people with the same incentives.
Re: MSFT is forcing Outlook and Teams to open links in Edge and IT admins are angry
#204I have no skin in the game, but even I am starting to think the obvious thing here: Apple and Google own the entire mobile OS market. They could literally destroy Microsoft if they started to hugely degrade the experience of Microsoft products on iOS and Android with dark patterns a la Microsoft. But they don't. So far they were competing by making their own products better. Microsoft needs to think hard how hostile…
> They could literally destroy Microsoft if they started to hugely degrade the experience of Microsoft products on iOS and Android with dark patterns a la Microsoft. But they don't. I disagree here. Despite me using firefox on my android device and it being set to my default browser, many apps will still open in chrome (usually google apps - maps, gmail, etc) despite me explicitly asking it _not_ to do that. It's als…
Not OP and unsure what happened to that link, but:
Re: MSFT is forcing Outlook and Teams to open links in Edge and IT admins are angry
#205IT admins have only themselves to blame for choosing Teams in the first place. Yes, it is included in O365 and it makes it a no-brainer as far as additional costs and things go. But then there's the risk that Microsoft leverage their captive and lazy market to foist other undesirable things on users... like this. And crappy news / adverts in Windows 11's 'start menu' replacement. Ready to get voted down on this, but…
Why go as far as self-hosting, they should be all open source and IT admins will be able to fix bugs themselves.
(Of course this is sarcasm, just the way you want it)
Re: MSFT is forcing Outlook and Teams to open links in Edge and IT admins are angry
#206Interesting timing. 2 days ago a place I'm at switched us from Google mail + calendar + meet to Microsoft outlook + calendar + teams. I almost can't believe at how good Google's suite of tools are compared to Microsoft. I never used any of MS' office tools until a few days ago. Outlook's web app doesn't even let you click into an email to mark it as read. You have to explicitly click the mark as read button. It also…
I think most things you describe are just getting used to product difference / configuration options.
Clicking an email definitely marks it as read. The calendar schedule not being revealed is a just a privacy option, each person must opt-in to share the exact meeting details.
Having used both gsuite and office I find that they both get job done fairly well
Re: MSFT is forcing Outlook and Teams to open links in Edge and IT admins are angry
#207Earlier quoted context omitted.
> just like any other public company Except way more mercenary. Companies compete like boxers in a ring. You win some, you lose some. MS is the boxer who would hit below the belt if no one is looking and will try to main/kill you if they can. https://www.folklore.org/StoryView.py?story=MacBasic.txt
> maximizing shareholder profits, just like any other public company Show me one of these big technology companies that doesn't act to benefit their shareholders? Microsoft is Google is Apple is Amazon. They're all the same internally. The only difference is their optics when you're looking at them as an outsider. But really, they all work toward the same goal, increasing their stock price.
> Show me one of these big technology companies that doesn't act to benefit their shareholders?
The owners seems to be in a constant power struggle with executives and management. Also, future to be shareholder are ripped off by current.
I companies would focus on (long term) profitability many of their problems would be solved.
Re: MSFT is forcing Outlook and Teams to open links in Edge and IT admins are angry
#208Earlier quoted context omitted.
> maximizing shareholder profits, just like any other public company Show me one of these big technology companies that doesn't act to benefit their shareholders? Microsoft is Google is Apple is Amazon. They're all the same internally. The only difference is their optics when you're looking at them as an outsider. But really, they all work toward the same goal, increasing their stock price.
You replying to the right person?
Yes, you said that Microsoft is "just like any other public company" but "Except way more mercenary".
I'm saying that no, Microsoft is just like the others. They're all like that. All of them would hit below the belt if the risk/reward calculation is correct for shareholders.
Re: MSFT is forcing Outlook and Teams to open links in Edge and IT admins are angry
#209Interesting timing. 2 days ago a place I'm at switched us from Google mail + calendar + meet to Microsoft outlook + calendar + teams. I almost can't believe at how good Google's suite of tools are compared to Microsoft. I never used any of MS' office tools until a few days ago. Outlook's web app doesn't even let you click into an email to mark it as read. You have to explicitly click the mark as read button. It also…
It is marked as read when you are reading it. When you are switching to another mail, it displays it as read.
No need to manually mark it as read.
*EDIT*
Just noticed that there is a setting for this:
Under Options in the webmail you can switch this between:
* Mark as read as soon it has been choosen
* Mark as read after delay in seconds
* Mark as read after selection changes
* Do not mark as read automatically
Re: MSFT is forcing Outlook and Teams to open links in Edge and IT admins are angry
#210Is everyone misreading the article? The new policy is to ignore your default browser from Outlook and Teams and open Edge. There is an option to turn off this policy to use your default browser. > Microsoft 365 Enterprise IT admins will be able to alter the policy, but those on Microsoft 365 for business will have to manage this change on individual machines.
In Teams, there is also an option to switch off notifications and another one to use Windows notifications.
Guess which ones of the two don't do shit.
Here's a hint: I'm using Teams via browser to get rid of notifications.